Care package, end of the world, FedEx, kids, norman hsu, pets, throwing food, UPS, mother teresa, 300, Rome

[9/21/2007 9:32:23 AM] pD says: UPS 9 FedEx 6 today

[9/21/2007 9:32:34 AM] pD says: this is a new game for pD...

[9/21/2007 9:52:10 AM] AE says: deliveries?

[9/21/2007 9:52:29 AM] AE says: none from us yet. i found some floss, but no toothpicks.

[9/21/2007 10:01:25 AM] pD says: i would be most concerned if you also found toothpicks since they would not be mine

[9/21/2007 10:01:54 AM] pD says: cool! are you guys actually collecting the korean candies? do not think there are many left back when

[9/21/2007 10:02:20 AM] nsy says: there's only a handful left

[9/21/2007 10:04:01 AM] pD says: end of the world as we know it

[9/21/2007 10:04:16 AM] pD says: no more kim-chic!

[9/21/2007 10:14:46 AM] nsy says: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGqroT1FZ5Y



[9/21/2007 10:15:56 AM] nsy says: in case you're wondering what the heck they said: http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/R-e-m/It-s-The-End-Of-The-World-As-We-Know-It-And-I-Feel-Fine.html

[9/21/2007 10:16:34 AM] AE says: It's the end of this song if we're lucky.

[9/21/2007 10:16:42 AM] AE says: (that's the Weird Al Version)

[9/21/2007 10:19:39 AM] pD says: are they, R E M, too fan of korean green tea candies? did not know!

[9/21/2007 10:19:46 AM] AE says: http://www.ugoplayer.com/music/endoftheworld.html

[9/21/2007 1:09:26 PM] pD says: what is the story with the norman hsu dude - why does he feel compelled to give so much money to the democrats?

[9/21/2007 1:09:45 PM] pD says: what he did is plainly illegal, but i have not heard any explanation on why he is doing it...

[9/21/2007 1:11:34 PM] pD says: from the NY Times, i thought having connections via chocolate and beer is way ahead of most other ethnic tensions that i am aware of... QUOTATION OF THE DAY -

"We are two different nations, an artificial state
created as a buffer between big powers, and we have
nothing in common except a king, chocolate and beer."

- FILIP DEWINTER, the leader of a right-wing Flemish party, on Belgium's ethnic tensions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/21/world/europe/21belgium.html?th&emc=th

[9/21/2007 1:25:49 PM] AE says: hmm... chocolate beer...

[9/24/2007 9:30:50 AM] pD says: UPS 11 FedEx 1 this morning

[9/24/2007 10:36:10 AM] nsy says: are you still counting trucks?

[9/24/2007 10:36:34 AM] pD says: apparently

[9/24/2007 10:36:52 AM] pD says: just one more things to keep me occupied while driving

[9/24/2007 10:37:02 AM] AE says: we'll have to send our care package via dhl then...

[9/24/2007 10:37:17 AM] pD says: i would get very confused.

[9/24/2007 10:37:19 AM] pD says: good idea

[9/24/2007 10:39:29 AM] AE says: are you counting deliveries? or trucks you see on the way to work?

[9/24/2007 10:42:35 AM] pD says: only trucks that is going the opposite direction that i am going

[9/24/2007 10:43:33 AM] nsy says: interesting gauge - why only opposite direction?

[9/24/2007 10:43:51 AM] pD says: because in the traffic, i will always see the same two UPS trucks in front of me...

[9/24/2007 11:12:11 AM] nsy says: http://www.flickr.com/photos/maisonbisson/1303521019/

[9/24/2007 11:38:11 AM] pD says: here is a question for AE

[9/24/2007 11:38:38 AM] pD says: at what point does a kid stop throwing food?

[9/24/2007 11:43:45 AM] AE says: oh... we're supposed to stop?

[9/24/2007 11:43:51 AM] AE says: uh... 40?

[9/24/2007 11:44:17 AM] pD says: ok, not the animal house sort of throwing food

[9/24/2007 11:44:28 AM] AE says: are they throwing it because they're done eating/ bored?

[9/24/2007 11:44:31 AM] AE says: or because they don't like it?

[9/24/2007 11:44:41 AM] pD says: anyway, the little boss has a tendency to throw things that he does not want to eat

[9/24/2007 11:44:56 AM] pD says: not even not liking it, sometimes, it is food that he usually eats, but may not strike his mood?

[9/24/2007 11:45:12 AM] pD says: at this age, there is no reasoning with him - which I accept

[9/24/2007 11:45:20 AM] pD says: so, i just want to calibrate a bit here

[9/24/2007 11:45:43 AM] AE says: yeah. my kids tended to smear their food around if they didn't like it or they were not really hungry.

[9/24/2007 11:46:08 AM] pD says: any suggestion?

[9/24/2007 11:46:09 AM] AE says: small amounts of different things are always best.

[9/24/2007 11:46:11 AM] pD says: to be honest

[9/24/2007 11:46:16 AM] AE says: what do you feed him?

[9/24/2007 11:46:21 AM] pD says: i am just tired of having to mop the floor after each session

[9/24/2007 11:46:45 AM] pD says: we feed him adult food for the most part. he does get puree veggie so he gets enough green

[9/24/2007 11:48:22 AM] pD says: my goal, admittedly selfish, is for the little boss to put aside the things that does not strike his fancy on the trey instead of dumping it overboard. just easier to clean...

[9/24/2007 11:49:25 AM] AE says: hmm... i'm not sure. we never had a food tossing problem...

[9/24/2007 11:49:32 AM] AE says: perhaps we never gave them enough time?

[9/24/2007 11:49:45 AM] pD says: enough time?

[9/24/2007 11:49:57 AM] AE says: we would always feed Quinn, then eat, so we were focusing on him while he was eating, then he would sleep while we ate.

[9/24/2007 11:51:14 AM] pD says: he would take the food and while looking at one direction, toss the food at the other direction. which is kind of funny, but a lot of work to clean up

[9/24/2007 11:51:21 AM] pD says: how often do you feed Quinn?

[9/24/2007 11:51:37 AM] AE says: now? at least once a week.

[9/24/2007 11:51:46 AM] pD says: one of the things that we do is to make sure that the little boss gets enough calories during the waking hours so that hedoes not wake up at night

[9/24/2007 11:51:53 AM] AE says: um... there was no set schedule. he nursed until he was 3.

[9/24/2007 11:51:55 AM] pD says: once a week - that is an expensive kid

[9/24/2007 11:52:05 AM] AE says: so, most of the nutrients he needed came from that.

[9/24/2007 11:52:08 AM] pD says: exclusive?

[9/24/2007 11:52:15 AM] AE says: he didn't have solid food until about 9 months.

[9/24/2007 11:52:20 AM] pD says: it is kind of hard since both parents work

[9/24/2007 11:52:31 AM] AE says: ah... yes. there is the whole life structure thing...

[9/24/2007 11:52:58 AM] nsy says: i think its just fun to throw things

[9/24/2007 11:53:16 AM] pD says: agree - if you don't have to clean it up

[9/24/2007 11:53:55 AM] AE says: get a small dog?

[9/24/2007 11:54:06 AM] nsy says: if you put something else in his hand when he eats does he throw that instead? or is he using his hands to eat (not being spoon fed)?

[9/24/2007 11:54:31 AM] nsy says: dog - good idea! i don't think roombas are designed for wet pick-up.

[9/24/2007 11:55:07 AM] pD says: never been much of a pet person - i don't mind pets, it is just that they seem to be babies that never grow up for interesting conversations, so the upside is quite limited in my view

[9/24/2007 11:55:23 AM] pD says: nsy has an interesting observation

[9/24/2007 11:55:41 AM] pD says: it is true that if i give him something else to hold, he would throw it instead

[9/24/2007 11:55:55 AM] pD says: that is one of the ways that I feed him veggies

[9/24/2007 11:56:12 AM] nsy says: so, its a game. he likes to watch you pick stuff up for him. whee!

[9/24/2007 11:56:26 AM] pD says: which brings up a related question, why would he NOT eat the puree veggie as is, but would open widely when he has something to hold in his hands and bang?

[9/24/2007 11:56:43 AM] pD says: nsy, you are not to talk with the little boss...

[9/24/2007 11:56:53 AM] nsy says: dang

[9/24/2007 11:56:54 AM] AE says: LOL

[9/24/2007 11:57:10 AM] nsy attempted collaboration thwarted

[9/24/2007 11:57:29 AM] pD says: subversion is a better description

[9/24/2007 11:57:41 AM] nsy says: for the same reason you like to listen to arias while working.

[9/24/2007 11:58:00 AM] pD says: the connection?

[9/24/2007 11:58:19 AM] pD says: it is true that he definitely treats it partly as a game.

[9/24/2007 11:58:49 AM] pD says: that is part of my quandary. how do i make it such that he would eat nicely so we can play games nicely - without the mopping

[9/24/2007 12:03:01 PM] AE says: maybe stop feeding him for a few days.

[9/24/2007 12:03:12 PM] AE says: then he'll be too hungry and weak to throw food.

[9/24/2007 12:04:02 PM] pD says: drastic, but i see where you are going with that idea

[9/24/2007 12:04:17 PM] AE says: (please tell my you know I'm kidding)

[9/24/2007 12:04:22 PM] nsy says: the connection - if you have a divine multi-tasking brain, and you are trying to focus on one task, there can be distracting "chatters" unless you keep one part occupied with one task, so the other channel can focus on a separate task. this is just a theory i have because i used to have trouble with calculus until i started listening to classical music during my differential equations. like how a worry stone can "help you think" i suppose.

[9/24/2007 12:04:59 PM] pD says: no, it is time for the little boss to face the real world. school of hard-knocks is what this is all about

[9/24/2007 12:05:01 PM] nsy says: keep the hands occupied so he can focus on the eating

[9/24/2007 12:05:29 PM] nsy says: let him clean up his own mess - tough love

[9/24/2007 12:05:39 PM] AE says: perhaps carrot sticks for the hands (good if he accidentally puts one in his mouth) and then spoon feed everything else.

[9/24/2007 12:06:03 PM] nsy says: and carrot sticks are easier to clean off the floor

[9/24/2007 12:06:55 PM] AE says: that way the hands are distracted, and he learns that sometimes hands have yummy things.

[9/24/2007 12:07:14 PM] AE says: oh! or replace the carrot sticks with sugar sticks!

[9/24/2007 12:07:19 PM] AE says: or chocolate bars!

[9/24/2007 12:07:30 PM] AE says: then he certainly won't throw them away!

[9/24/2007 12:08:15 PM] nsy says: i wonder if putting bells on his wrists would distract him...

[9/24/2007 12:08:29 PM] AE says: haha! it would distract me!

[9/24/2007 12:26:41 PM] AE says: http://parents.berkeley.edu/advice/eating/throwingfood.html

[9/24/2007 12:26:47 PM] AE says: other parent's thoughts...

[9/24/2007 2:32:27 PM] AE says: still... it could be worse: http://www.neatorama.com/2006/07/07/kids-and-an-open-can-of-paint-what-could-go-wrong/

[9/25/2007 7:05:25 AM] AE says: In completely unrelated news comes this disturbing graph: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:FSM_Pirates.jpg

[9/25/2007 7:05:51 AM] AE says: I never realized there was a direct correlation, but I think our course is clear on what needs to be done...

[9/25/2007 9:14:36 AM] pD says: start a business on pirate gears, correspondence course on pirating, author pirates for dummies, etc.?

[9/25/2007 9:16:02 AM] pD says: btw, the score today is UPS 10 Fed 1

[9/25/2007 9:16:03 AM] AE says: exactly!

[9/25/2007 9:16:10 AM] AE says: run away and join the Pirates!

[9/25/2007 9:16:29 AM] pD says: lest we forget the god rush

[9/25/2007 9:16:35 AM] pD says: none of the gold diggers got rich

[9/25/2007 9:16:50 AM] pD says: but we get Levis' who supplies to the gold rushers

[9/25/2007 9:18:56 AM] AE says: hmmm... and the potato farmers and rotting mountains of potatoes

[9/25/2007 9:21:26 AM] pD says: i would prefer a business with short inventory cycle, farming takes a long time between sowing and harvesting and pirating ain't a sure thing until they have replace QEII

[9/25/2007 9:38:03 AM] AE says: no, i was referring to the mountains of rotting potatoes in Watsonville and Gilroy during the latter part of the gold rush

[9/25/2007 9:38:31 AM] AE says: there was a potato farmer who took a cart up and sold each potato for $2-4 (since there was more gold than food).

[9/25/2007 9:38:57 AM] AE says: He came back and told of the riches he'd encountered, and everyone planted potatoes, thinking they would get rich too.

[9/25/2007 9:39:19 AM] AE says: so of course, there was a glut of potatoes on the market, no one could buy them all, and they rotted.

[9/25/2007 9:39:28 AM] AE says: farmers went bankrupt because of that.

[9/25/2007 10:01:29 AM] pD says: that is indeed a fascinating story about herd mentality

[9/25/2007 10:02:00 AM] pD says: so, whoever sold those potato seedlings made a killing.

[9/25/2007 10:06:29 AM] AE says: haha! that's why we love you, pD! Always able to find the money making angle to something.

[9/25/2007 10:07:29 AM] pD says: well, if some schmuk is going to make out like a bandit, i can think of worse candidates than self :)!

[9/25/2007 10:08:32 AM] AE says: that's what Mother Teresa used to say.

[9/25/2007 10:10:13 AM] pD says: was she running a biz on the side? she would have amazing branding opportunities. but, i suspect the roman church would demand a healthy cut - another reason why i always think religion is a good biz

[9/25/2007 10:12:55 AM] pD says: pD = the saviour

[9/25/2007 10:24:19 AM] AE says: hers was not a faith based in commercial religion.

[9/25/2007 10:24:27 AM] AE says: her religion was within her.

[9/25/2007 10:24:52 AM] AE says: yes, she was a Roman Catholic nun...

[9/25/2007 10:25:23 AM] AE says: but it was deep within her that the love came from to attempt the work she did.

[9/25/2007 10:25:51 AM] AE says: NJ sent me this one right after I started working here:

[9/25/2007 10:26:00 AM] AE sent file Mother Teresa.jpg to members of this chat

[9/25/2007 10:26:46 AM] AE says: reading it makes me cry sometimes

[9/25/2007 9:31:57 PM] pD says: not to make light of mother teresa's work and what she had given up for her work. But, i do strongly believe that we are judging her in a way that is completely unnatural

[9/25/2007 9:32:34 PM] pD says: first of all, the reason that she is notable is because she is the exception in all sense of the words - put another way, she ain

[9/25/2007 9:32:49 PM] pD says: ain't one of the regular folks

[9/25/2007 9:33:21 PM] pD says: and, not being a regular folk, it simply is not fair to judge her through the lens of the regular folks

[9/25/2007 9:36:10 PM] pD says: for example, while you and I (well, "I" especially) may consider what she does as an impossible task because of X, Y, and Z reasons. but the first question to ask is if she even consider the X, Y Z relevant. and, if these issues are irrelevant, maybe she is just doing the right thing by her even if it is considered "filthy/impossible" for regular folks

[9/25/2007 9:37:44 PM] pD says: to give a goofy example, for somebody who is not familiar with some french cheeses, the stink and texture is simply impossibly gross. but, for another person who does not view the same cheeses as such, it is simply another form of food

[9/25/2007 9:38:04 PM] pD says: so, from A, B is doing a brave/impossible thing while B is only doing something normal

[9/25/2007 9:38:34 PM] pD says: now, we can argue how normal is it to live and work in the more deprived slump of india.

[9/25/2007 9:39:04 PM] pD says: But, keep in mind, even that description is full of our own prejudices from a first world middle class view point

[9/25/2007 9:40:24 PM] pD says: in other words, although unverified, I have a strong suspicion that mother teresa and her gang probably lived a dulce vita relative to most of the population in the very same slumps.

[9/25/2007 9:41:21 PM] pD says: people make money donations and volunteer their time to work with mother teresa. that is all fine - if it makes a person feels better him/herself

[9/25/2007 9:42:45 PM] pD says: but, i do not know how the true locals feel about this - for all that i know, the locals may simply feel that "oh, great, here comes another sucker who is well fed and has more money than my entire village is worth coming here to do some work so he can feel better about himself."

[9/25/2007 9:43:26 PM] pD says: that may well be a local perspective and it basically continues the legacy of imperial/colonialism

[9/25/2007 9:44:05 PM] pD says: now, in term of welfare for its citizens, i wonder how much damage mother teresa's organization has done to the healthcare infrastructure of india.

[9/25/2007 9:44:50 PM] pD says: as strange as it may sound, it is also true that many third world government views this kind of "service" as a perfect substitute for taking up the responsibilities of serving their own citizens.

[9/25/2007 9:45:55 PM] pD says: and, in a strange way, such service removes the locals from depending on the government (which one may be tempted to consider a good thing on first glance) but this is terrible for a functioning government because it also removes incentives from both the government and the governed to engage in meaningful dialogs

[9/25/2007 9:46:36 PM] pD says: it becomes a crutch that neither side is willing to give up

[9/25/2007 9:47:26 PM] pD says: finally, at a personal level, i can only hope that mother teresa was the happiest while doing her work. if she is doing it for a sense of duty, she has a major major major complex.

[9/25/2007 10:04:25 PM] pD says: and, if she is happily doing her work - our admiration is a bit like cheering my kid for eating cookies

[9/25/2007 10:09:11 PM] pD says: i admire mother teresa because she has found her calling.

[9/25/2007 10:09:20 PM] pD is the contrarian

[9/26/2007 10:26:13 AM] pD says: UPS 12 Fedex 1

[9/26/2007 10:26:53 AM] pD says: btw, where are my green tea kim-chic candies?

[10:57:38 AM] pD says: knock, knock

[10:57:41 AM] pD says: anyone home?

[11:02:06 AM] nsy says: i'm home!

[11:02:57 AM] nsy says: but i'm installing...

[11:05:44 AM] pD says: no worries, just thought it has been a bit quiet lately

[11:07:16 AM] nsy says: end of quarter and end of fiscal year - very busy for us lately ;)

[11:17:25 AM] pD says: cool! make me more money!

[11:25:53 AM] pD says: UPS 0 FedEx 1 today

[11:26:04 AM] pD says: but, it is during a different time period

[11:55:23 AM] nsy says: heading to the office - se y'all in a bit

[11:59:40 AM] pD says: oh! you are literally at home, thought you were in PA doing install

[12:00:24 PM] pD says: what is going on these days? what excitement have i been missing?

[12:00:39 PM] AE says: customer 300 is next.

[12:00:55 PM] pD says: very cool!

[12:01:08 PM] pD says: #300 being installed or what is "next"?

[12:01:17 PM] AE says: to be signed.

[12:01:37 PM] pD says: sounds like a touch of bubbly is called for

[12:01:46 PM] AE says: probably will be on Friday.

[12:02:01 PM] pD says: hahah! down to the wire, huh

[12:02:04 PM] pD says: i know how that works

[12:02:08 PM] pD says: who is working on that deal?

[12:07:17 PM] AE says: don't know which one it will be.

[12:09:01 PM] pD says: i hope it is SG. he is on a bit of a short leash right now

[12:26:50 PM] AE says: actually, that leash was cut.

[12:29:33 PM] pD says: oh!

[12:29:38 PM] pD says: SG is no longer?

[12:29:46 PM] pD says: sorry to hear that

[12:29:47 PM] AE says: he 'resigned'

[12:29:52 PM] pD says: when did they happen?

[12:30:03 PM] AE says: about a month ago.

[12:30:09 PM] AE says: not long after you left.

[12:30:34 PM] pD says: man! you are holding out on me on the story

[12:30:47 PM] AE says: you now know as much as i do.

[12:31:34 PM] pD says: so, has anyone else left?

[12:31:48 PM] pD doing a name count in his mind

[12:31:59 PM] AE says: CE.

[12:32:08 PM] pD says: oh, that was before me

[12:32:14 PM] AE says: Ok. That's it.

[12:32:17 PM] pD says: around the same time as CM

[12:32:22 PM] AE says: ah

[12:32:38 PM] AE says: we've hired a couple of new sales folks... they're getting their feet under them

[12:32:38 PM] pD says: MB and JB still around, i am hoping

[12:33:03 PM] pD says: oh, yeah, a chicago guy was supposed to come onboard when i left

[12:33:20 PM] pD says: BP joined around that same time too

[12:33:41 PM] pD says: sales is a tough life - i would never make a good sales

[12:33:59 PM] AE says: i hear you. i was in sales just long enough to know it wasn't for me.

[12:34:56 PM] pD says: outside of sales though, any addition/subtractions?

[12:35:04 PM] AE says: nope

[12:35:11 PM] pD says: how is JH doing?

[12:35:21 PM] AE says: she and M1 are both doing a great job!

[12:35:31 PM] pD says: is M1 back from her time in France?

[12:35:39 PM] AE says: italia, but yes.

[12:36:02 PM] pD says: very cool! italy, huh. wish I was there. i always liked italy

[12:36:39 PM] pD says: but, i must say that Rome was just a bit too much as a place to live. enjoyed the visit, but i think i would prefer northern italy

[12:37:33 PM] AE says: yes, they save if rome leaves you wanting, you'll enjoy further south. if rome is enough, then that's as far south as you need to go.

[12:39:21 PM] pD says: hahahah! I totally see the point. although i suspect that i would enjoy the country side of southern italy well. to me, it is just the compactness/dense-ness of the roman madness that was getting to me.

[12:39:38 PM] AE says: ? what madness?

[12:39:39 PM] pD says: strange for me to say that of course, since i seem to prefer big cities in general

[12:40:40 PM] pD says: well, in most densely populated areas, there is a basic rhythm to how things work, how people walk, talk, etc. it may not be friendly, but if you get onto the same speed/wavelength, it becomes a non-issue

[12:41:24 PM] pD says: but, in the case of rome, i just felt that it was too many speeds and styles going at once, and it felt really "random" as oppose to having a rhythm like other big cities

[12:41:37 PM] pD says: purely personal observation

[12:44:13 PM] AE says: i'm not sure what you mean by rhythm... cities are large populations of individuals.

[12:46:15 PM] pD says: oh, i do not know about it

[12:46:22 PM] pD says: each location has its own rhythm and styles

[12:46:33 PM] pD says: and, it is partly a function of who lives/work there

[12:47:02 PM] pD says: for example, santa cruz, though i have never been, has a particular rhythm/style that if somebody from new york city just materializes would look out of place

[2:21:16 PM] pD says: btw, whatever happened to SG's infamous laptop(s)?