[10:38:17 AM] pD says: hate it! nearly half of year is gone and i have not done anything
[10:39:17 AM] nsy says: half a year since...?
[10:39:26 AM] nsy says: oh, 2007
[10:39:29 AM] pD says: since half year ago...
[10:39:56 AM] pD says: as a kid, i always felt time moved too slow. now, it is the reverse.
[10:40:54 AM] nsy says: heh. the 4th dimension is a silly place. tomorrow is my one-year at our current workplace, and i haven't done anything either - so don't feel bad
[11:01:38 AM] pD says: 4th dimension sucks, it only goes in one direction for mere mortals like me
[11:18:08 AM] nsy says: for now...
[11:18:34 AM] nsy says: until we make our 4th dimension travel machine
[11:25:25 AM] pD says: actually, i already do, but it is a hassle to get everyone on the same bus...
[11:25:43 AM] pD has changed the chat topic to "anti-environmental science fiction"
[11:26:05 AM] pD says: so, i just came up with a new sci-fi idea
[11:26:37 AM] pD says: as nano technology improves, RFID tags are nano-nized
[11:27:08 AM] pD says: and, as wal-mart leads the charge to put RFID on everything, the world is now tagged with nano RFID
[11:28:08 AM] pD says: in parallel, bio-science is developing all the sequence of RNA and people are now theorizing the possible of creating artificial intelligence using tinny bits of information like DNA/RNA
[11:28:22 AM] pD says: as the world develops, everyone is now onto re-cycling
[11:28:47 AM] pD says: then, in the recycling center, all the nano RFID are mixed and combined through out the process
[11:29:08 AM] pD says: so, like the scientists predicted, this inadvertently created new life forms
[11:30:38 AM] pD says: that is the basic idea - the rest becomes a narrative
[11:31:16 AM] nsy says: maybe Troma films will produce your movie as a Toxic Avenger sequel
[11:32:45 AM] pD says: but, in this story, everyone is doing the right thing - human recycling is the "cause"
[11:33:01 AM] pD says: RFID makes the world more efficient
[11:33:41 AM] pD says: Nano technology and bio-tech development improves quality of life through smaller physical footprint and better/targeted medicine
[11:34:39 AM] pD says: besides, there is no predisposition on the new life form is necessarily a bad thing - that is a moral judgment that would need to determine by the narrative
[11:37:45 AM] nsy says: if you're not doing a "b" movie where the audience is supposed to assume that the premise is true as a pre-cursor to the story, then i want to know how the rna/dna chips come to be "alive".
[11:38:56 AM] pD says: well, i am thinking of a "B" movie format, the above was pretty much the background info. what i am struggling is what the narrative would be, because it is too easy to become an anti-technology/development story line
[11:39:01 AM] pD says: now, about how the combine thing works
[11:39:10 AM] pD says: actually, i have a few theories
[11:39:19 AM] pD says: DNA works with ATGC pairs
[11:39:36 AM] pD says: each can only combine with specific counterpart
[11:40:03 AM] pD says: RNA, i am not as sure, but it is similar idea - but the current speculation is that RNA is really the mojo of life in the eye so human
[11:40:24 AM] pD says: in other words, most living forms have similar DNA structure - think hardware
[11:40:41 AM] pD says: but RNA is the OS that makes decisions on the various wirings and capabilities
[11:40:56 AM] pD says: now, back to how the chip combinations would work.
[11:41:20 AM] pD says: first off, it would have to be carbon based - this makes the chips "organic" (chemically speaking)
[11:42:01 AM] pD says: there are any number of reasons why human would want to make the chips organic - chiefly because it makes the chip flexible.
[11:43:19 AM] pD says: the other part is standardization, as wal-mart's of the world standardize on RFID, there is likely to come up with a standard set of designs much like ATGC
[11:43:45 AM] pD says: the final ingredient is nano-nization, which is another thing that is being pushed hard on
[11:43:59 AM] nsy says: http://nanotechlaw.blogspot.com/2007_01_01_archive.html
[11:44:08 AM] pD says: nano-nization makes it possible to create very basic blocks
[11:44:46 AM] pD says: so, in sum, these are the pieces that makes the leap of "recycling" as the primordial soup of life quite "plausible"
[11:48:18 AM] nsy says: fascinating. ok, i'll go see that b movie. whats the narrative, then?
[11:48:41 AM] pD says: well, that is the part that i struggle with
[11:49:24 AM] pD says: the initial creation of the organic-chip based life form would be fairly small and not a lot of "intelligence" beyond survival. but, that does that mean?
[11:49:45 AM] nsy says: amoeba?
[11:50:02 AM] pD says: sure
[11:50:44 AM] pD says: or, to make it "interesting" for the story, we can fast forward on their development from amoeba to XYZ, but what is that background story?
[11:59:44 AM] AE says: wait....
[12:00:10 PM] AE says: it's a B movie about RNA/DNA forming from RFID, and now you're throwing in XYZ....
[12:00:17 PM] AE says: too many acronyms... it will never work.
[12:01:00 PM] AE fades away again.
[12:01:24 PM] pD says: XYZ is a yet to be determined name for the being arising out of nano-RFID life form that human has to deal with on a (more or less) equal basis
[12:01:33 PM] nsy says: so, lets leave that part on the cutting room floor, and just get on to the meaty part
[12:02:34 PM] pD says: so, my assumption is that the initial creation of NR (nano-RFID) amoeba was not detected
[12:02:56 PM] pD says: so, while human congratulate themselves on being enlightened and efficient, etc., NR is being created
[12:03:00 PM] pD says: en masse
[12:03:45 PM] pD says: so, first question, what happens to their equals? do they cooperate with existing amoebas or do they act more like predators?
[12:04:43 PM] AE says: all life strives to survive.
[12:04:53 PM] AE says: so they would be predators.
[12:05:19 PM] AE says: but easy to track predators.
[12:05:24 PM] nsy says: but if they are all predators, who wins?
[12:05:35 PM] pD says: survival does not require predatory tendency - lot of beings, smaller ones usually, tend to survive better by cooperating
[12:05:43 PM] AE says: eventually our hero's learn they can track the RFID signals and are able to create a nano-hunter.
[12:06:01 PM] AE says: but that makes for bad horror/fiction.
[12:06:14 PM] AE says: "and everyone lived in cooperative harmony"
[12:06:21 PM] AE says: NOT!
[12:07:05 PM] nsy says: i guess their behavior at amoeba stage depends on the point you are trying to convey later in the film
[12:07:14 PM] nsy says: which is...?
[12:07:20 PM] pD says: i think it would be much more interesting to make NR being a more complex being. Otherwise, it becomes too easy to objectify them as the ruthless enemy and become yet another channel for human aggression
[12:07:42 PM] pD says: well, that is what is struggling with, what/where is the point that i want to reach?
[12:08:06 PM] pD says: i am not suggesting that it becomes a lovey-dovey thing - complexity is good
[12:09:07 PM] pD says: lunch time - brb
[12:12:58 PM] pD says: so, here are two routes that i can think of
[12:14:16 PM] pD says: one is that NR becomes integrated into the overall human-centric environment and replaces functions that is currently taken up by bacteria - digestion, etc.
[12:14:46 PM] pD says: the other is that NR develops its own biological tree and becomes distinct specie
[12:17:34 PM] pD says: one question that i cannot answer/decide is how does NR produce offspring. can it be done outside of the nano-RFID context. If yes, then, NR has to live closely to human footprint. or, they can develop separately
[12:17:39 PM] pD says: any thoughts?
[12:20:35 PM] nsy says: i don't see as many options for an exciting conclusion with the integration option... unless its the integrate - then take over scenario.
[12:27:36 PM] pD says: or, it creates two classes of human - the super-NR type and the regular
[12:28:09 PM] pD says: then, it could be the two classes duking it out, or maybe NR allies with regular to fight super-NR human?
[12:28:18 PM] nsy says: maybe they can reproduce by taking over stem cells and duplicating their genetic pattern - um, somehow. well, it's "b" sci-fi, right?
[12:29:35 PM] pD says: stem-cell, that is brilliant! since it would be carbon based and there is every incentive to "enhance" the stem cell with additional capabilities
[12:29:54 PM] pD says: the drawback, however, is that would the story line take an anti-stem cell stance?
[12:33:45 PM] nsy says: i'm pro stem cell usage, so, in the end, maybe humans will also have to use stem cells to "fight fire with fire" or some other cheezy catch-phrase.
[12:35:00 PM] nsy says: but then maybe its getting a little too cliche. not sure
[1:01:06 PM] AE says: the NR could also look to WalMar for fresh FRID-DNA...
[1:01:10 PM] AE says: *RFID...
[1:01:16 PM] AE says: I'm fried!
[1:01:30 PM] AE vs Apollo... Apollo wins!
[1:04:22 PM] AE says: it was really hot out today
[1:04:32 PM] AE says: in centigrade... that means REALLY HOT!
[1:09:04 PM] pD says: how about in kelvins?
[1:15:41 PM] AE says: I wear boxers, not kelvins...
[1:16:21 PM] pD says: too much details
[1:23:36 PM] pD has changed the chat topic to "google ranking slut"
[1:23:54 PM] pD says: noticed that NSA Chatters is coming up on regular google search every so often
[1:33:06 PM] pD says: as i am reasonably familiar with how google works, i am fascinated to see how the search engine would place this blog. after all, there is no obvious topic for a category
[1:35:48 PM] nsy says: have to reboot - be back soon...
[1:37:13 PM] pD says: that was weird, the last entry was missing from the blogspot location
[1:37:19 PM] pD says: just went in and re-published it
[1:37:28 PM] pD says: loved those pirate flags
[1:43:49 PM] nsy says: Aye, pirate flags are always fun
[1:44:44 PM] pD says: did we ever get too far on doing our own pirate flag?
[1:45:35 PM] pD says: btw, the flag voting is stagnating at 28 votes. should we aim for 30+ to reflect popular will or should we consider it good enough? http://www.blogpoll.com/poll/view_Results.php?poll_id=117595
[1:46:19 PM] nsy says: good nuff for me
[1:47:37 PM] AE says: Ok. I'll go vote a few times then.
[1:47:52 PM] pD says: that is the spirit!
[1:48:20 PM] pD says: if we do not stuff the ballot box, we make no good pirates
[1:51:03 PM] AE says: arrr... depends on what yer stuffin' it with...
[1:51:19 PM] AE says: I hide all me dabloons in mine.
[1:51:34 PM] AE says: but now you all know that, so i'll have to keel ya.
[1:51:59 PM] pD says: arr... arr... arr.....\
[1:52:08 PM] pD says: just like saying "arrrrr...."
[1:57:05 PM] pD says: clears the throat quite nicely
[2:04:01 PM] nsy says: rra raa raa
[2:04:09 PM] nsy says: i'm a dyslexic pirate
[2:05:56 PM] nsy says: http://www.oregonlive.com/edge/index.ssf?/edge/2003/20030919.frame
[2:09:55 PM] nsy says: http://www.cafepress.com/jbsoriginals.31375942
[2:58:55 PM] pD says: hahah! water coming out of my nose!
[2:59:06 PM] pD says: Dyslexic pirates
Make outstanding cheerleaders.
Their cry rings out, "Rahhhh!"
- by Brett Slater, Bangor, Maine
[2:59:13 PM] pD says: pirate haiku
[2:59:46 PM] nsy says: my personal favorite as well
[3:27:01 PM] pD says: would pirates use pom-pom's?
[3:27:22 PM] pD says: say, maybe that is our pirate flag - skull with pom-poms!
[3:28:55 PM] nsy says: lol
[3:29:05 PM] AE says: yeah!
[3:29:25 PM] pD says: skull with NSA spelt with pmo-poms
[3:40:22 PM] nsy says: or maybe the cross-bones could be 2 pom-poms?
[3:41:30 PM] pD says: nsy, can you humor us with a few pom-pom images?
[3:49:56 PM] AE says: you have to be careful how you read that word, pom...
[3:52:03 PM] nsy says: i looked for a pirate cheer, but there are too many sporting teams names "pirates" - no luck - let me try images
[3:53:15 PM] pD says: pirates in pom-pom could do well
[3:57:16 PM] AE says: http://www.talklikeapirate.com/songs1.html
[4:01:21 PM] nsy says:
http://www.blueribbonembroidery.com/cheer3.jpg[4:02:48 PM] AE says: yea, but that pom means something else...
[4:03:27 PM] nsy says: lol - http://www.talklikeapirate.com/songs2.html#izodpirate
[4:03:50 PM] nsy says: its about cheerleading, right?
[4:04:11 PM] nsy says: see url
[4:04:35 PM] nsy says:
http://www.detroitlionsstore.com/store/vendor2/thumbs/pompom2.jpg[4:08:13 PM] AE says: oh, the izod pirate is a bad song....
[4:08:18 PM] AE says: bad. evil.
[4:08:21 PM] AE says: wicked.
[4:08:38 PM] AE says: I like this line though, from another song:
[4:08:40 PM] AE says:
There's a patch on me eye and there's stripes on me shirt
We're surrounded by water and still we find dirt
[4:08:49 PM] AE says: that sounds like me kids.
[4:18:19 PM] pD sent file "
p2.JPG" to members of this chat
[4:19:36 PM] nsy says: hahaha - thats hilarious
[4:20:18 PM] pD says: the alternative was to have pirates holding pom-poms in the formation of NSA. But, that is a bit too much work graphically.
[4:38:58 PM] pD says: so far this is the winning flag:
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjDPxqRJNXZF7eHjcLRgrwDomQvws351Y0PgeVX4ROMhBUBfKTaZDL7zQV9OlKRAmSmkmleMEWNqwctFdv7AMAypYOyXKOUeGX2DkuGpVSwa3WPuaqNhyphenhyphenBl-rBekMFF-DKW90LT61edIx0/s320/JR2.JPG[4:39:03 PM] pD says: before the pom-poms
[5:03:06 PM] AE says: night all.
[5:04:37 PM] pD says: caio
[5:04:56 PM] nsy says: buh-bye
[5:11:57 PM] nsy says: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=1711166700
[5:14:46 PM] pD says: i trust the feeling is mutual
[5:14:58 PM] pD says: actually, flight attendants cannot do much against you
[5:15:08 PM] pD says: the worst is if you piss of your waiter, oh boy!
[5:15:13 PM] pD says: things can get ugly
[5:16:02 PM] nsy says: exactly! i never understood those people who are cruel to their servers. you're really just hurting yourself
[5:17:13 PM] nsy says: i knew a guy who was a bartender, and he claims he never did it himself, but they would put visine in pepoles drinks if they were jerks. i guess it is like ex-lax.
[5:19:17 PM] pD says: does it work? Visine - i just saw that in "the wedding crasher"
[5:19:29 PM] pD says: not a horrible film if you have no expectation
[5:19:56 PM] pD says: i think visine is a lot of work, i have heard that they just spit in your food
[5:20:39 PM] nsy says: he said it really works
[5:20:56 PM] nsy says: but i can't speak from experience
[5:21:30 PM] nsy says: yah - vince vaughan is entertaining - if you have no expectation like you said
[5:22:38 PM] pD says: i thought he did a good job playing dumb in Mr Ms Smith
[5:23:02 PM] nsy says: i didn’t see that one yet
[5:23:04 PM] pD says: he plays a certain role very well. Not so good at others. but, that is one more than most of us non-Hollywood type.
[5:23:27 PM] nsy says: he did a good job in clay pigeons - an early role for him
[5:23:33 PM] pD says: i think i need to put it on my list, i saw it on a flight a while back, so it was quite butchered.
[5:23:35 PM] pD says: thanks for reminding me
[5:23:54 PM] nsy says: ;)
[5:31:39 PM] pD says: in case you have not seen, i highly recommend "Who the $#%& is Jackson Pollock?"
[5:32:12 PM] pD says: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0487092/
[5:41:45 PM] pD says: it makes the art establishment look silly
[5:42:00 PM] pD says: and, as we all know, anything that makes somebody look silly is a good thing
[5:43:04 PM] pD says: hmm...
[5:43:09 PM] pD says: just lost connection
[5:43:28 PM] pD says: am back
[5:41:55 PM] nsy: nice! i'll add that to my list - thanks
[5:42:10 PM] nsy says: yes, indeed
[5:46:32 PM] pD says: silly or jackson pollock
[5:46:37 PM] pD says: :)!
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