AI - second life - Tokelau - official NSA Chatters flag - candies - kim-chic - UPS - FedEx - pirates - LASIK - floss

[9/13/2007 1:11:45 PM] pD says: speaking of AI: Artificial intelligences could soon be living and

learning inside online worlds such as Second Life.

[9/13/2007 1:11:54 PM] pD says: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6992613.stm

[9/13/2007 2:43:45 PM] nsy says: yep - there was a lot of talk about Second Life at the singularity conference. there are a lot of funding companies throwing money at programmers to create better virtual reality.

[9/13/2007 3:19:10 PM] pD says: have you been on Second Life, I have heard so much about it but i also do not find enough motivation to go there

[9/13/2007 3:19:24 PM] pD says: seems to be just a fancy D&D site...

[9/13/2007 3:34:59 PM] nsy says: i have a gamer friend that said its not worth the effort, so i trust her.

[9/13/2007 4:11:17 PM] pD says: i hear you

[9/13/2007 4:11:42 PM] pD says: the only thing about Second Life that piqued my interests was the fact that they too have a monetary policy/central bank

[9/13/2007 4:11:58 PM] pD says: the reason being that the local currency (linden?) can be converted into US$

[9/13/2007 4:12:08 PM] pD says: so, it is important for them to maintain some level of stable exchange rate

[9/13/2007 4:12:17 PM] pD says: so, on that basis, I have been fascinated by Second Life

[9/13/2007 4:12:35 PM] pD says: avatars and other stuff - just seem so "trivial"...

[9/13/2007 4:12:44 PM] pD says: but, i am not a gamer, so i am probably the wrong person

[9/13/2007 4:24:12 PM] nsy says: it reminds me of the ender's game books where the computer program used to train military students becomes self-aware. the first AI of sorts

[9/13/2007 4:24:47 PM] pD says: central banking based on AI?

[9/13/2007 4:25:07 PM] pD says: that is an intriguing idea but some would probably argue that it will do a better job than human central bankers...

[9/13/2007 4:25:20 PM] nsy says: no, just the Second Life thing

[9/13/2007 4:25:48 PM] nsy says: yeah, humans make mistakes.

[9/13/2007 4:30:33 PM] pD says: but, that makes life interesting. human mistakes

[9/13/2007 4:31:00 PM] pD says: the other problem with AI as the central banker is that the audience is still human. so the impulse would be to hack the system to gain an advantage

[9/13/2007 4:31:10 PM] nsy says: yes, i agree on that one. i make a lot of mistakes, and things have been pretty interesting so far

[9/13/2007 4:31:29 PM] pD says: or, somehow reverse engineer the logics to build a parallel box which makes the AI goal unattainable over the long term

[9/13/2007 4:34:05 PM] nsy says: a parallel box you say?

[9/13/2007 4:34:15 PM] nsy says: hmm

[9/13/2007 4:36:16 PM] nsy says: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6927775.html

[9/14/2007 1:45:50 PM] pD says: An atoll in the South Pacific has come up with a novel way of making money via its domain name .TK.

Tokelau may only have 1,500 inhabitants and be a two-day boat trip from its nearest neighbor but selling its .TK domain is reaping benefits: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6991719.stm

[9/14/2007 1:45:54 PM] pD says: looks win-win to me

[9/14/2007 1:46:17 PM] pD says: i wonder what are the definitions for assigning country level domain names.

[9/14/2007 1:46:31 PM] pD says: for example, can i declare a new country in order to get a domain?

[9/14/2007 8:56:15 PM] pD says: finally caught up somewhat with NSA Chatters postings

[9/14/2007 8:56:26 PM] pD says: one more to go. hope to get to it in the next few days...

[9/14/2007 8:56:55 PM] pD says: gotta go watch the 5 episode of TNG season I

[9/17/2007 11:37:56 AM] pD says: man! i would kill for one of 'em green korean tea candy about right now...

[9/17/2007 2:32:37 PM] pD says: a question on Windows OS

[9/17/2007 2:32:55 PM] pD says: what is the function that allows me to adjust if the icons on the desktop will auto-align?

[9/17/2007 2:33:06 PM] pD says: i want to turn that darn thing off, but cannot find how to do it

[9/17/2007 2:33:08 PM] pD says: thanks

[9/18/2007 6:58:54 AM] nsy says: there's only about a handful of them left!

[9/18/2007 9:23:42 AM] pD says: end of the world as we know it...

[9/18/2007 9:25:13 AM] nsy says: if i could read any of that, i could probably find them online. only if pD were here...

[9/18/2007 9:29:36 AM] pD says: the wrapper? you mean

[9/18/2007 9:29:46 AM] pD says: well, they are korean, so cannot help you on that

[9/18/2007 9:30:11 AM] pD says: speaking of which, i always thought it odd that why would a SG outfit send over stuff that is made in korean

[9/18/2007 9:30:26 AM] pD says: nothing wrong with it, just a bit unexpected

[9/18/2007 9:30:41 AM] pD says: unless, of course, that candy was/is the rage in asia right now

[9/18/2007 9:30:54 AM] pD says: who knew, we were hip once!

[9/18/2007 11:13:48 AM] nsy says: i only know "Annyong haseyo?" - it gets a smile in Korea town

[9/18/2007 11:14:20 AM] nsy says: http://www.lifeinkorea.com/Language/korean.cfm?Subject=basic

[9/18/2007 11:15:04 AM] pD says: you are way ahead of me as it is

[9/18/2007 11:15:16 AM] pD says: korean has been pretty hip for the past 5-10 years in Asia

[9/18/2007 11:15:27 AM] nsy says: wow, i had no idea

[9/18/2007 11:15:47 AM] pD says: there is even a term for it "kim-hip" after the most common korean food "kim-chi"

[9/18/2007 11:16:01 AM] pD says: "kim-chic", i meant to say

[9/18/2007 11:16:04 AM] nsy says: mmm kim-chi

[9/18/2007 11:16:23 AM] nsy says: no way! that’s hilarious

[9/18/2007 11:16:50 AM] nsy says: why did it become hip, i wonder?

[9/18/2007 11:17:24 AM] nsy says: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/56897_pac04.shtml

[9/18/2007 11:19:15 AM] pD says: i have my theories - how Korean got to be so chic. suffices to say, a good deal of cosmetic surgeries are involved

[9/18/2007 11:23:42 AM] nsy says: my only experience with Korean culture is through a Korean-Italian ex of mine. the food was great, but his mother refused to be seen in public with me because I wore jeans and t-shirts. she said i looked like a slob.

[9/18/2007 11:24:11 AM] nsy says: and the plastic surgery - yikes.

[9/18/2007 11:26:07 AM] nsy says: then, i helped her daughter with her homework, and she dragged me to "fashion Island" on Orange County to buy me some clothes to wear so we could go to dinner. hahaha

[9/18/2007 11:27:38 AM] nsy says: i always just thought it was an orange county thing, not necessarily a Korean thing, though

[9/18/2007 12:28:08 PM] pD says: the slob part or the plastic surgery part?

[9/18/2007 1:21:50 PM] pD says: Small Collectors

Encouraged by wealthy, art-loving parents, children are collecting Warhols and even Rembrandts. Kelly Crow on their kid-centered tastes, 'art allowances' and why auction paddles aren't toys. - http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB118971801238026797-lMyQjAxMDE3ODE5NDcxMTQ4Wj.html

[9/18/2007 1:22:09 PM] pD says: pretty amazing! i would hate to be Dakota's first boyfriend...

[9/19/2007 12:39:58 PM] pD says: is UPS a good stock to buy? this morning i saw about 14-15 UPS truck within 20 minutes. and, only about 3-4 FedEx trucks...

[9/19/2007 3:47:27 PM] nsy says: maybe you were close to the UPS distribution center?

[9/19/2007 3:47:53 PM] pD says: on 237? it was a busy highway

[9/19/2007 3:48:14 PM] pD says: howdy! good to hear from you. was feeling a bit neglected

[9/19/2007 3:48:22 PM] pD says: gotta keep the chatters going

[9/19/2007 3:48:28 PM] pD says: busy with end of quarter?

[9/19/2007 3:49:51 PM] nsy says: yeah - its been crazy lately, but we're hangin' in there! how’s your new digs?

[9/19/2007 3:50:46 PM] pD says: busy

[9/19/2007 3:50:57 PM] pD says: building up a marketing operation is hard work...

[9/19/2007 3:51:48 PM] nsy says: i can only imagine

[9/19/2007 3:53:14 PM] nsy says: why not buy both fedex and UPS?

[9/19/2007 3:54:49 PM] pD says: well, there is only so much money, so i am all for chasing the one with good prospect

[9/19/2007 3:55:14 PM] pD says: actually, in reality, fedex is pretty late in their ground service vis-a-vis UPS, so that may partly explain what i was seeing

[9/19/2007 3:55:26 PM] pD says: it was just a bit freaky seeing one UPS after another in that short space

[9/19/2007 3:57:00 PM] nsy says: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F31P0_kgEic



[9/19/2007 3:58:27 PM] nsy says: Yes. that’s right...."International Talk Like A Pirate Day" is every Sept 19th

http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html

JB...I took liberty to provide you with TLAP Day pickup lines. Use them wisely.

10 . Avast, me proud beauty! Wanna know why my Roger is so Jolly?
9. Have ya ever met a man with a real yardarm?
8. Come on up and see me urchins.
7. Yes, that is a hornpipe in my pocket and I am happy to see you.
6. I'd love to drop anchor in your lagoon.
5. Pardon me, but would ya mind if fired me cannon through your porthole?
4. How'd you like to scrape the barnacles off of me rudder?
3. Ya know, darlin', I'm 97 percent chum free.
2. Well blow me down?

And the number one pickup line for use on International Talk Like a Pirate Day is ...
1. Prepare to be boarded.

[9/19/2007 4:03:44 PM] pD says: hahahah!

[9/19/2007 4:04:02 PM] pD says: (waving my pirate pom-poms while rolling on the floor)

[9/19/2007 4:07:13 PM] nsy says: on that note - we'll talk to you tomorrow! Aaargh!

[9/19/2007 4:07:49 PM] pD says: prepare to be de-boarded.

[9/19/2007 4:07:57 PM] pD says: aye, aye!

[1:21:07 PM] pD says: how is the LASIK thing coming along? do you have x-ray vision now?

[1:21:16 PM] pD says: thought you should be totally healed by now

[1:30:14 PM] nsy says: yep - i'm 20/20 as of my last appointment! woo hoo!

[1:30:50 PM] pD says: so, you cannot even avoid booga-man even you wanted to - with clear vision

[1:31:07 PM] pD says: BTW, AE just changed his icon.

[1:31:09 PM] pD says: what gives?

[1:44:35 PM] AE says: Hi pD!

[1:45:00 PM] AE says: we need a mailing address for you. (we're sending you a care package)

[1:45:13 PM] AE says: and the icon is to celebrate the new shades.

[2:04:11 PM] pD says: new shades?

[2:04:21 PM] pD says: what's in the care package

[3:27:36 PM] AE says: part of my new SteamPunk look, I purchased some old welding goggles on Ebay.

[3:27:58 PM] AE says: The care package contains most of the remaining GreenTea candies. You were mentioning that you missed them.

[3:28:32 PM] pD says: can you also send me the small dental floss packs on my top drawer, i think i forgot to take them...

[3:30:24 PM] AE says: sure I'll look to see if they're still there.

[3:30:35 PM] AE says: you'll need them with the candies, i'm sure...

pirates - alberto gonzales - fathers - moon - send-off - running - honey buckets - Hood to Coast - skirts - sarongs - sulus - kilts - print stamps - s

[9:53:03 AM] pD says: high sea piracy stats: http://www.icc-ccs.org/prc/overview.php

[9:53:53 AM] pD says: from an interesting magazine which I have no idea why they send to me: Pacific Maritime: http://www.pacmar.com/

[9:54:05 AM] pD says: how is life?

[9:54:57 AM] nsy says: i have to get ready for a meeting in 30 min, but i'm all over this topic as soon as i'm done!

[9:55:18 AM] pD says: make sure that you have your pom-poms at the ready

[10:06:58 AM] pD says: you know how alberto gonzales said "Even my worst days as attorney general have been better than my father's best days"

[10:07:15 AM] pD says: free speech aside, i do wonder, what he actually means by that?

[10:07:39 AM] pD says: is this a dig on who his father is - a day laborer is "nothing" vs. the attorney general?

[10:07:46 AM] pD says: sounds like class warfare

[10:08:18 AM] pD says: or, is he suggesting that as the attorney general, he is making a greater contribution to the welfare of his fellow citizen?

[10:08:53 AM] pD says: sure, that is certainly theoretically possible, it is, however, also theoretically true that he can cause more misery for his fellow citizen.

[10:09:18 AM] pD says: my father

[10:09:28 AM] pD speaking from own perspective

[10:10:19 AM] pD says: never finished high school, but i think he is pretty cool and even if i can do certain things better/more than he does, i sure, for goodness sake, hope that his best days are no worse than mine...

[10:19:44 AM] pD says: Highly detailed photographs of the Moon taken by the Apollo missions are being made available to the public for the first in more than 30 years. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6966655.stm

[10:20:45 AM] pD says: this is the actual site for the scanned images: http://apollo.sese.asu.edu/METRIC_PREVIEW/index.html

[10:55:16 AM] pD says: are you guys gonging to be around the PA office around 1pm? i am going to be in the neighborhood - thought that I can drop by

[12:40:04 PM] AE says: Hi pD! Sorry I missed your big send off. :(

[1:58:43 PM] pD says: hi AE, welcome back

[1:58:47 PM] pD says: thanks for your kind words

[1:59:08 PM] pD says: you did not miss much, was not a big send-off, some are pretty glad to get rid of me. :)!

[2:43:36 PM] pD says: hey! my new favorite word: eyeservice - Work done only when the employer is present

[2:43:54 PM] pD says: i think the modern equivalent is the saying of "i only work here."

[2:58:07 PM] pD says: This is better than some people i know! Chimps practice self control, Apes distract themselves with play to resist temptation. http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070820/full/070820-4.html

[3:03:57 PM] pD says: hi AE

[3:04:02 PM] pD says: so, how was the run?

[3:04:19 PM] pD says: heard that you have converted to a tibetan monk?

[3:04:30 PM] AE says: haha! not yet.

[3:04:37 PM] AE says: how are things with the little boss?

[3:04:59 PM] pD says: he is doing good, i think. he is at day care right now

[3:05:13 PM] AE says: aha. when do you start your new gig?

[3:05:14 PM] pD is a bad father. hehehehe!

[3:05:28 PM] pD says: next week would be the new gig

[3:05:40 PM] AE says: can you announce where yet? or is it secret?

[3:05:48 PM] pD says: so, what was it like to be running all these time - 24 hours?

[3:06:16 PM] pD says: oh, there is no secret, i think most people know - or the ones who asked

[3:06:24 PM] AE says: well, this was not like that. We ran for about 45 minutes, then get in a van and chase the next person.

[3:06:50 PM] AE says: then repeat that for 6 hours, then sleep for 1 hour, then run again. then repeat again,

[3:06:53 PM] AE says: then it was over.

[3:07:00 PM] pD says: hi nsy, remember the out of body experience thing from yesterday, here is a video: http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070820/multimedia/070820-9.avi

[3:07:02 PM] pD says: pretty cool stuff

[3:07:07 PM] AE says: as opposed to an ultra which really is running for 24 hours.

[3:07:19 PM] pD says: i see. still sound like a lot of work

[3:07:30 PM] pD says: heard from nsy that the team beat its old record

[3:07:43 PM] pD says: all thanks to you, i can only assume since all the other team members are the same

[3:08:05 PM] pD says: so, here are some logistic questions, how do you eat, drink and eliminate?

[3:08:34 PM] AE says: hah. no. we had three new ones this year.

[3:08:41 PM] pD says: and, how do you pack so many into a van?

[3:08:43 PM] AE says: i did set two course records, though

[3:08:48 PM] AE puffs up chest

[3:09:07 PM] AE says: there are two vans and 12 people, so 5 in each van.

[3:09:20 PM] AE says: (five, because one is always out running)

[3:09:31 PM] AE says: we had a cooler full of food and drink

[3:09:45 PM] AE says: and at every hand off point were "honeypots"

[3:10:25 PM] pD says: do i want to know what is honeypots...

[3:10:45 PM] pD says: how far does each person have to run?

[3:10:45 PM] AE says: sorry, "honey Buckets"

[3:11:00 PM] pD says: ok, you got me, what are honey buckets?

[3:11:25 PM] AE sent file H2C 2007\PICT5412.JPG to members of this chat

[3:11:34 PM] AE sent file H2C 2007\PICT5412.JPG to members of this chat

[3:11:46 PM] AE says: hmm... trying to send you a file but it failed.

[3:11:58 PM] AE says: They are the company that provides the porta-poties

[3:12:06 PM] AE says: so you go in them.

[3:12:28 PM] AE says: each person runs a total of 14 - 17 miles in a series of 3 legs

[3:13:55 PM] pD says: hi AE, you need to re-send the pix to this chat session - i assume it is also meant for nsy

[3:14:18 PM] AE sent file H2C 2007\PICT5412.JPG to members of this chat

[3:14:40 PM] pD says: hmm.. do not know what happened, i do not get the new window for download request

[3:14:51 PM] pD says: is my skype blocking it? is nsy getting the file?

[3:15:25 PM] AE says: it might be too big... hold on...

[3:15:47 PM] AE says: nope... 680k

[3:16:24 PM] pD says: maybe it is inappropriate material that is being proactively blocked by skype

[3:16:37 PM] pD says: too family friendly - probably

[3:17:10 PM] AE sent file H2C 2007\PICT5412.JPG to members of this chat

[3:17:12 PM] nsy says: i didn’t get it

[3:17:39 PM] AE sent file AE and the Honey.JPG to members of this chat

[3:17:48 PM] AE says: Aha! It was the file name!

[3:17:52 PM] AE says: it had a / in it

[3:18:09 PM] pD says: got it

[3:18:29 PM] pD says: hahah! nice pix

[3:18:58 PM] pD says: so, how long did the run last?

[3:19:03 PM] pD says: btw, what is the run called?

[3:19:13 PM] AE says: Hood to Coast relay

[3:19:36 PM] AE says: We started at 7:15 PM and finished 22 hours, 17 minutes (and 26 seconds) later

[3:20:13 PM] nsy says: slow connection - agh!

[3:20:46 PM] AE sent file Team at Start.JPG to members of this chat

[3:20:56 PM] pD says: how can nsy get slow connection, she probably has the biggest pipe amongst the three of us...

[3:21:05 PM] AE says: heh

[3:21:43 PM] pD says: love the skirts - very manly

[3:21:48 PM] nsy says: but i have to share my pipe with everyone in the building

[3:21:49 PM] AE says: Skirts?

[3:21:55 PM] AE says: skirts?

[3:21:56 PM] nsy says: sarongs

[3:22:04 PM] pD says: reminds me of the Hawaiian warriors

[3:22:08 PM] AE says: those are, of course, sulu's

[3:22:13 PM] AE rolls his eyes

[3:22:24 PM] AE says: they're from the Fiji Islands

[3:22:29 PM] pD says: i have always wanted to get a kilt

[3:23:18 PM] pD says: how come nobody else was wearing the skirts? was it a team uniform thing?

[3:23:28 PM] AE says: yes

[3:23:39 PM] AE says: our benefactor owns the Turtle Islands in Fiji

[3:23:43 PM] pD is singing "you say sarongs, i say skirts... (music)"

[3:23:58 PM] AE says: Hence the turtle on the shirt, and the sulus

[3:24:01 PM] pD says: really!

[3:24:08 PM] pD says: that is cool

[3:24:24 PM] pD says: what does it mean to own the turtle islands? does he get to print his own stamps?

[3:24:41 PM] pD says: man! some seriously bad typos - will fix it up with a spell check

[3:24:46 PM] AE says: no, they're still part of the Fiji Island chain.

[3:25:14 PM] pD says: i have always thought that it would be an interesting business to own an island with stamp printing rights and just make money off the "commemorative issues"

[3:25:41 PM] AE says: true. But they'd have to be cool looking and rare.

[3:25:42 PM] pD says: ok, who in the pix is the benefactor and the ruler of turtle islands

[3:26:29 PM] AE says: not in there... it's a long story.

[3:26:41 PM] pD says: btw, is it really call sulu? on wiki, sulu refers to an island province of the Philippines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulu

[3:26:49 PM] AE says: but the original founders are no longer on the team. They are too busy with their projects

[3:28:03 PM] AE says: it's really called a sulu.

[3:28:21 PM] AE says: http://www.scottpix.com/gallery/travel/Fiji/002124.html

[3:29:16 PM] nsy says: haha finally seeing the pics - thanks. so will you do it again next year?

[3:29:33 PM] AE says: possibly... depends on if they need me on the team or not.

[3:29:35 PM] nsy says: honey bucket eew

[3:29:39 PM] AE says: I have to go now...

[3:29:43 PM] nsy says: bye

[3:29:45 PM] AE says: bye all!

[3:31:15 PM] nsy says: http://www.yachtpiracy.org/en/dangerous_regions.htm

[3:32:14 PM] pD says: bye AE

[3:34:02 PM] pD says: fascinating stuff - according to the article i read, the worst region is SE Asia with a few African and Middle eastern regions sprinkled in. basically, anywhere there is poor economic condition and an imploding political system - basically when there is no credible government in place - kind of make sense, i suppose

[3:37:13 PM] nsy says: desperation and lack of repercussions does seem like a good pirate recipe

[3:42:30 PM] pD says: yeah, there is not a lot of glamour on being a real pirate

[3:43:06 PM] pD says: i recall there was a study on the economic advantage of being a drug dealer - because popular image is that dealers are "playa's"

[3:43:41 PM] pD says: basically, the conclusion was that life of an everyday dealer is tough and they unusually do not make enough money and they tend to live with mom

[3:43:55 PM] pD says: not very player-like in that fact...

[3:46:48 PM] nsy says: indeed. pirate life is no picnic - not very glamorous in reality

[3:52:02 PM] pD says: this is a talk by the researcher on the drug dealer study: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UGC2nLnaes

[3:52:08 PM] pD says:

[3:52:58 PM] pD says: steven levitt is a bit of a popular celebrity as far as an economist goes. but, i hope his celebrity does not destroy his work as a researcher

[4:41:07 PM] nsy says: wow, that was amazing - thanks. TED is wonderful stuff.

[4:41:49 PM] pD says: gets you thinking, doesn't it!

[4:42:26 PM] pD says: okay, gotta get ready for baby daddy duty - trying to get more face time with the little boss until new gig starts

[4:43:22 PM] nsy says: have fun - bye!:)

[4:43:54 PM] pD says: ciao

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[10:38:03 AM] pD says: just realized that it is June 25th!

[10:38:17 AM] pD says: hate it! nearly half of year is gone and i have not done anything

[10:39:17 AM] nsy says: half a year since...?

[10:39:26 AM] nsy says: oh, 2007

[10:39:29 AM] pD says: since half year ago...

[10:39:56 AM] pD says: as a kid, i always felt time moved too slow. now, it is the reverse.

[10:40:54 AM] nsy says: heh. the 4th dimension is a silly place. tomorrow is my one-year at our current workplace, and i haven't done anything either - so don't feel bad

[11:01:38 AM] pD says: 4th dimension sucks, it only goes in one direction for mere mortals like me

[11:18:08 AM] nsy says: for now...

[11:18:34 AM] nsy says: until we make our 4th dimension travel machine

[11:25:25 AM] pD says: actually, i already do, but it is a hassle to get everyone on the same bus...

[11:25:43 AM] pD has changed the chat topic to "anti-environmental science fiction"

[11:26:05 AM] pD says: so, i just came up with a new sci-fi idea

[11:26:37 AM] pD says: as nano technology improves, RFID tags are nano-nized

[11:27:08 AM] pD says: and, as wal-mart leads the charge to put RFID on everything, the world is now tagged with nano RFID

[11:28:08 AM] pD says: in parallel, bio-science is developing all the sequence of RNA and people are now theorizing the possible of creating artificial intelligence using tinny bits of information like DNA/RNA

[11:28:22 AM] pD says: as the world develops, everyone is now onto re-cycling

[11:28:47 AM] pD says: then, in the recycling center, all the nano RFID are mixed and combined through out the process

[11:29:08 AM] pD says: so, like the scientists predicted, this inadvertently created new life forms

[11:30:38 AM] pD says: that is the basic idea - the rest becomes a narrative

[11:31:16 AM] nsy says: maybe Troma films will produce your movie as a Toxic Avenger sequel

[11:32:45 AM] pD says: but, in this story, everyone is doing the right thing - human recycling is the "cause"

[11:33:01 AM] pD says: RFID makes the world more efficient

[11:33:41 AM] pD says: Nano technology and bio-tech development improves quality of life through smaller physical footprint and better/targeted medicine

[11:34:39 AM] pD says: besides, there is no predisposition on the new life form is necessarily a bad thing - that is a moral judgment that would need to determine by the narrative

[11:37:45 AM] nsy says: if you're not doing a "b" movie where the audience is supposed to assume that the premise is true as a pre-cursor to the story, then i want to know how the rna/dna chips come to be "alive".

[11:38:56 AM] pD says: well, i am thinking of a "B" movie format, the above was pretty much the background info. what i am struggling is what the narrative would be, because it is too easy to become an anti-technology/development story line

[11:39:01 AM] pD says: now, about how the combine thing works

[11:39:10 AM] pD says: actually, i have a few theories

[11:39:19 AM] pD says: DNA works with ATGC pairs

[11:39:36 AM] pD says: each can only combine with specific counterpart

[11:40:03 AM] pD says: RNA, i am not as sure, but it is similar idea - but the current speculation is that RNA is really the mojo of life in the eye so human

[11:40:24 AM] pD says: in other words, most living forms have similar DNA structure - think hardware

[11:40:41 AM] pD says: but RNA is the OS that makes decisions on the various wirings and capabilities

[11:40:56 AM] pD says: now, back to how the chip combinations would work.

[11:41:20 AM] pD says: first off, it would have to be carbon based - this makes the chips "organic" (chemically speaking)

[11:42:01 AM] pD says: there are any number of reasons why human would want to make the chips organic - chiefly because it makes the chip flexible.

[11:43:19 AM] pD says: the other part is standardization, as wal-mart's of the world standardize on RFID, there is likely to come up with a standard set of designs much like ATGC

[11:43:45 AM] pD says: the final ingredient is nano-nization, which is another thing that is being pushed hard on

[11:43:59 AM] nsy says: http://nanotechlaw.blogspot.com/2007_01_01_archive.html

[11:44:08 AM] pD says: nano-nization makes it possible to create very basic blocks

[11:44:46 AM] pD says: so, in sum, these are the pieces that makes the leap of "recycling" as the primordial soup of life quite "plausible"

[11:48:18 AM] nsy says: fascinating. ok, i'll go see that b movie. whats the narrative, then?

[11:48:41 AM] pD says: well, that is the part that i struggle with

[11:49:24 AM] pD says: the initial creation of the organic-chip based life form would be fairly small and not a lot of "intelligence" beyond survival. but, that does that mean?

[11:49:45 AM] nsy says: amoeba?

[11:50:02 AM] pD says: sure

[11:50:44 AM] pD says: or, to make it "interesting" for the story, we can fast forward on their development from amoeba to XYZ, but what is that background story?

[11:59:44 AM] AE says: wait....

[12:00:10 PM] AE says: it's a B movie about RNA/DNA forming from RFID, and now you're throwing in XYZ....

[12:00:17 PM] AE says: too many acronyms... it will never work.

[12:01:00 PM] AE fades away again.

[12:01:24 PM] pD says: XYZ is a yet to be determined name for the being arising out of nano-RFID life form that human has to deal with on a (more or less) equal basis

[12:01:33 PM] nsy says: so, lets leave that part on the cutting room floor, and just get on to the meaty part

[12:02:34 PM] pD says: so, my assumption is that the initial creation of NR (nano-RFID) amoeba was not detected

[12:02:56 PM] pD says: so, while human congratulate themselves on being enlightened and efficient, etc., NR is being created

[12:03:00 PM] pD says: en masse

[12:03:45 PM] pD says: so, first question, what happens to their equals? do they cooperate with existing amoebas or do they act more like predators?

[12:04:43 PM] AE says: all life strives to survive.

[12:04:53 PM] AE says: so they would be predators.

[12:05:19 PM] AE says: but easy to track predators.

[12:05:24 PM] nsy says: but if they are all predators, who wins?

[12:05:35 PM] pD says: survival does not require predatory tendency - lot of beings, smaller ones usually, tend to survive better by cooperating

[12:05:43 PM] AE says: eventually our hero's learn they can track the RFID signals and are able to create a nano-hunter.

[12:06:01 PM] AE says: but that makes for bad horror/fiction.

[12:06:14 PM] AE says: "and everyone lived in cooperative harmony"

[12:06:21 PM] AE says: NOT!

[12:07:05 PM] nsy says: i guess their behavior at amoeba stage depends on the point you are trying to convey later in the film

[12:07:14 PM] nsy says: which is...?

[12:07:20 PM] pD says: i think it would be much more interesting to make NR being a more complex being. Otherwise, it becomes too easy to objectify them as the ruthless enemy and become yet another channel for human aggression

[12:07:42 PM] pD says: well, that is what is struggling with, what/where is the point that i want to reach?

[12:08:06 PM] pD says: i am not suggesting that it becomes a lovey-dovey thing - complexity is good

[12:09:07 PM] pD says: lunch time - brb

[12:12:58 PM] pD says: so, here are two routes that i can think of

[12:14:16 PM] pD says: one is that NR becomes integrated into the overall human-centric environment and replaces functions that is currently taken up by bacteria - digestion, etc.

[12:14:46 PM] pD says: the other is that NR develops its own biological tree and becomes distinct specie

[12:17:34 PM] pD says: one question that i cannot answer/decide is how does NR produce offspring. can it be done outside of the nano-RFID context. If yes, then, NR has to live closely to human footprint. or, they can develop separately

[12:17:39 PM] pD says: any thoughts?

[12:20:35 PM] nsy says: i don't see as many options for an exciting conclusion with the integration option... unless its the integrate - then take over scenario.

[12:27:36 PM] pD says: or, it creates two classes of human - the super-NR type and the regular

[12:28:09 PM] pD says: then, it could be the two classes duking it out, or maybe NR allies with regular to fight super-NR human?

[12:28:18 PM] nsy says: maybe they can reproduce by taking over stem cells and duplicating their genetic pattern - um, somehow. well, it's "b" sci-fi, right?

[12:29:35 PM] pD says: stem-cell, that is brilliant! since it would be carbon based and there is every incentive to "enhance" the stem cell with additional capabilities

[12:29:54 PM] pD says: the drawback, however, is that would the story line take an anti-stem cell stance?

[12:33:45 PM] nsy says: i'm pro stem cell usage, so, in the end, maybe humans will also have to use stem cells to "fight fire with fire" or some other cheezy catch-phrase.

[12:35:00 PM] nsy says: but then maybe its getting a little too cliche. not sure

[1:01:06 PM] AE says: the NR could also look to WalMar for fresh FRID-DNA...

[1:01:10 PM] AE says: *RFID...

[1:01:16 PM] AE says: I'm fried!

[1:01:30 PM] AE vs Apollo... Apollo wins!

[1:04:22 PM] AE says: it was really hot out today

[1:04:32 PM] AE says: in centigrade... that means REALLY HOT!

[1:09:04 PM] pD says: how about in kelvins?

[1:15:41 PM] AE says: I wear boxers, not kelvins...

[1:16:21 PM] pD says: too much details

[1:23:36 PM] pD has changed the chat topic to "google ranking slut"

[1:23:54 PM] pD says: noticed that NSA Chatters is coming up on regular google search every so often

[1:33:06 PM] pD says: as i am reasonably familiar with how google works, i am fascinated to see how the search engine would place this blog. after all, there is no obvious topic for a category

[1:35:48 PM] nsy says: have to reboot - be back soon...

[1:37:13 PM] pD says: that was weird, the last entry was missing from the blogspot location

[1:37:19 PM] pD says: just went in and re-published it

[1:37:28 PM] pD says: loved those pirate flags

[1:43:49 PM] nsy says: Aye, pirate flags are always fun

[1:44:44 PM] pD says: did we ever get too far on doing our own pirate flag?

[1:45:35 PM] pD says: btw, the flag voting is stagnating at 28 votes. should we aim for 30+ to reflect popular will or should we consider it good enough? http://www.blogpoll.com/poll/view_Results.php?poll_id=117595

[1:46:19 PM] nsy says: good nuff for me

[1:47:37 PM] AE says: Ok. I'll go vote a few times then.

[1:47:52 PM] pD says: that is the spirit!

[1:48:20 PM] pD says: if we do not stuff the ballot box, we make no good pirates

[1:51:03 PM] AE says: arrr... depends on what yer stuffin' it with...

[1:51:19 PM] AE says: I hide all me dabloons in mine.

[1:51:34 PM] AE says: but now you all know that, so i'll have to keel ya.

[1:51:59 PM] pD says: arr... arr... arr.....\

[1:52:08 PM] pD says: just like saying "arrrrr...."

[1:57:05 PM] pD says: clears the throat quite nicely

[2:04:01 PM] nsy says: rra raa raa

[2:04:09 PM] nsy says: i'm a dyslexic pirate

[2:05:56 PM] nsy says: http://www.oregonlive.com/edge/index.ssf?/edge/2003/20030919.frame

[2:09:55 PM] nsy says: http://www.cafepress.com/jbsoriginals.31375942

[2:58:55 PM] pD says: hahah! water coming out of my nose!

[2:59:06 PM] pD says: Dyslexic pirates

Make outstanding cheerleaders.

Their cry rings out, "Rahhhh!"

- by Brett Slater, Bangor, Maine

[2:59:13 PM] pD says: pirate haiku

[2:59:46 PM] nsy says: my personal favorite as well

[3:27:01 PM] pD says: would pirates use pom-pom's?

[3:27:22 PM] pD says: say, maybe that is our pirate flag - skull with pom-poms!

[3:28:55 PM] nsy says: lol

[3:29:05 PM] AE says: yeah!

[3:29:25 PM] pD says: skull with NSA spelt with pmo-poms

[3:40:22 PM] nsy says: or maybe the cross-bones could be 2 pom-poms?

[3:41:30 PM] pD says: nsy, can you humor us with a few pom-pom images?

[3:49:56 PM] AE says: you have to be careful how you read that word, pom...

[3:52:03 PM] nsy says: i looked for a pirate cheer, but there are too many sporting teams names "pirates" - no luck - let me try images

[3:53:15 PM] pD says: pirates in pom-pom could do well

[3:57:16 PM] AE says: http://www.talklikeapirate.com/songs1.html

[4:01:21 PM] nsy says: http://www.blueribbonembroidery.com/cheer3.jpg

[4:02:48 PM] AE says: yea, but that pom means something else...

[4:03:27 PM] nsy says: lol - http://www.talklikeapirate.com/songs2.html#izodpirate

[4:03:50 PM] nsy says: its about cheerleading, right?

[4:04:11 PM] nsy says: see url

[4:04:35 PM] nsy says: http://www.detroitlionsstore.com/store/vendor2/thumbs/pompom2.jpg

[4:08:13 PM] AE says: oh, the izod pirate is a bad song....

[4:08:18 PM] AE says: bad. evil.

[4:08:21 PM] AE says: wicked.

[4:08:38 PM] AE says: I like this line though, from another song:

[4:08:40 PM] AE says:

There's a patch on me eye and there's stripes on me shirt

We're surrounded by water and still we find dirt

[4:08:49 PM] AE says: that sounds like me kids.

[4:18:19 PM] pD sent file "p2.JPG
" to members of this chat

[4:19:36 PM] nsy says: hahaha - thats hilarious

[4:20:18 PM] pD says: the alternative was to have pirates holding pom-poms in the formation of NSA. But, that is a bit too much work graphically.

[4:38:58 PM] pD says: so far this is the winning flag: https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjDPxqRJNXZF7eHjcLRgrwDomQvws351Y0PgeVX4ROMhBUBfKTaZDL7zQV9OlKRAmSmkmleMEWNqwctFdv7AMAypYOyXKOUeGX2DkuGpVSwa3WPuaqNhyphenhyphenBl-rBekMFF-DKW90LT61edIx0/s320/JR2.JPG

[4:39:03 PM] pD says: before the pom-poms

[5:03:06 PM] AE says: night all.

[5:04:37 PM] pD says: caio

[5:04:56 PM] nsy says: buh-bye

[5:11:57 PM] nsy says: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=1711166700

[5:14:46 PM] pD says: i trust the feeling is mutual

[5:14:58 PM] pD says: actually, flight attendants cannot do much against you

[5:15:08 PM] pD says: the worst is if you piss of your waiter, oh boy!

[5:15:13 PM] pD says: things can get ugly

[5:16:02 PM] nsy says: exactly! i never understood those people who are cruel to their servers. you're really just hurting yourself

[5:17:13 PM] nsy says: i knew a guy who was a bartender, and he claims he never did it himself, but they would put visine in pepoles drinks if they were jerks. i guess it is like ex-lax.

[5:19:17 PM] pD says: does it work? Visine - i just saw that in "the wedding crasher"

[5:19:29 PM] pD says: not a horrible film if you have no expectation

[5:19:56 PM] pD says: i think visine is a lot of work, i have heard that they just spit in your food

[5:20:39 PM] nsy says: he said it really works

[5:20:56 PM] nsy says: but i can't speak from experience

[5:21:30 PM] nsy says: yah - vince vaughan is entertaining - if you have no expectation like you said

[5:22:38 PM] pD says: i thought he did a good job playing dumb in Mr Ms Smith

[5:23:02 PM] nsy says: i didn’t see that one yet

[5:23:04 PM] pD says: he plays a certain role very well. Not so good at others. but, that is one more than most of us non-Hollywood type.

[5:23:27 PM] nsy says: he did a good job in clay pigeons - an early role for him

[5:23:33 PM] pD says: i think i need to put it on my list, i saw it on a flight a while back, so it was quite butchered.

[5:23:35 PM] pD says: thanks for reminding me

[5:23:54 PM] nsy says: ;)

[5:31:39 PM] pD says: in case you have not seen, i highly recommend "Who the $#%& is Jackson Pollock?"

[5:32:12 PM] pD says: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0487092/

[5:41:45 PM] pD says: it makes the art establishment look silly

[5:42:00 PM] pD says: and, as we all know, anything that makes somebody look silly is a good thing

[5:43:04 PM] pD says: hmm...

[5:43:09 PM] pD says: just lost connection

[5:43:28 PM] pD says: am back

[5:41:55 PM] nsy: nice! i'll add that to my list - thanks

[5:42:10 PM] nsy says: yes, indeed

[5:46:32 PM] pD says: silly or jackson pollock

[5:46:37 PM] pD says: :)!

==
NSA Chatters crew

malware - non-runners - japanese game - buddha - pirates - la chapelle

[10:38:27 AM] AE says: so... here's what $1000 will buy you: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6221306.stm

[10:39:01 AM] AE says: It's Mpack, a commercially sold maleware kit.

[10:39:11 AM] AE says: even comes with a year of tech support! And updates!

[10:41:28 AM] pD says: that is so cool, do they come with sample codes?

[10:44:12 AM] AE says: I don't know.

[10:44:24 AM] AE says: here's Panda's article on it: http://blogs.pandasoftware.com/blogs/pandalabs/archive/2007/05/03/Cybercrime_2E002E002E00_-for-sale-_2800_II_2900_.aspx

[10:48:05 AM] AE says: so you can see, there is fierce competition out there.

[10:48:23 AM] AE says: so that means there's still big money happening in this sector.

[10:48:30 AM] AE says: which means... large file transfers!

[10:54:07 AM] nsy says: woo hoo!

[10:55:30 AM] AE says: must run.

[10:56:53 AM] nsy says: or you'll disappear into another dimension in time and space

[10:57:31 AM] pD says: we should form a club of non-runners

[10:58:08 AM] nsy says: what will we do at meetings?

[10:58:35 AM] AE says: eat ice cream?

[10:58:45 AM] nsy says: i'm IN!

[10:59:06 AM] AE says: you could buy Segway's and chase runners.

[10:59:22 AM] AE says: threaten them with fatty treats!

[11:00:03 AM] AE says: "Run faster! Or I'll force this pint of Haagen Das Super Mega Ultra Chocolate down your throat!"

[11:01:06 AM] pD says: that sounds like work - chasing runners

[11:01:43 AM] pD says: we will have a giant running mill in the meeting room where we invite runners to generate power for our cooling boxes where treats are stored

[11:02:13 AM] pD says: and, since this will be a symbiotic relationship, we will cheer the runner on

[11:05:59 AM] nsy says: pD, you never cease to amuse me!

[11:06:04 AM] nsy says: lol

[11:08:26 AM] nsy says: maybe instead of the mill, we can have a ...http://www.gameops.com/spot/promo/hamster.php

[11:09:22 AM] pD says: pD == full of cheap tricks

[11:09:33 AM] pD == cheap tricks

[11:11:06 AM] nsy says: http://www.gameops.com/assets/video/hamster.htm

[11:17:31 AM] pD says: sorry, cannot see it

[11:19:09 AM] nsy says: darn. well, if you go to the first url, there's a link on the page for a video of the human hamster ball in action - somewhat amusing, but could be better, so don't invest too much effort

[11:20:44 AM] nsy says: try this one http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5651646248594444703&q=human+hamster+ball&total=22&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[11:21:22 AM] pD says: speaking of silly videos

[11:21:42 AM] pD says: you should check out this human tetris game on a japanese game show

[11:21:46 AM] pD says: hilarious

[11:21:47 AM] pD says: http://www.glumbert.com/media/japtetris

[11:22:05 AM] pD says: AE found it last friday: http://nsa-chatters.blogspot.com/2007/06/kids-not-walking-google-ranking.html

[12:32:14 PM] AE says: you know that fat and happy picture of Buddha we always see?

[12:32:26 PM] AE says: well here he is after fasting for a while: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:EmaciatedBuddha.JPG

[12:36:08 PM] AE says: somehow that's more in line with my image of the Buddha.

[12:36:36 PM] AE says: if you're enlightened, do you care about things like hygiene? how you look? how you act?

[12:41:35 PM] nsy says: wow, i find that disturbing for some reason.

[12:42:53 PM] nsy says: i thought buddha was like that in the beginning under the tree, but after he was enlightened, people came to him and brought food to hear his teaching, and so many people came to listen, that he was fat from the offerings. or did i make that up in my head?

[12:43:55 PM] nsy says: so only a buddha whose enlightenment went to waste because nobody wanted to listen would be emaciated... wow, ok. art in action - i get it now.

[12:48:14 PM] AE says: this was supposed to be right after he achieved enlightenment... so perhaps he was so starved afterwards that he ate all the offerings and became the fat and happy Buddha.

[12:48:26 PM] AE says: but this is still my favorite image of him to date.

[12:48:38 PM] pD says: hi nsy, i think the fat buddha actually refers to a different buddha

[12:48:51 PM] pD says: i do not know the Sanskrit name, i will try to find it

[12:49:28 PM] nsy says: gonna get my learn on!

[12:49:34 PM] pD says: of "the" buddha, being thin is one of the standard images which refers to his time under the bunian tree

[12:49:53 PM] pD says: here is also one where he is on his side - that refers to his death

[12:50:29 PM] pD says: one where he is touching the ground - refers to his invincibility (i9n the face of temptation)

[12:50:43 PM] pD says: one where he opens his palm toward you - no fear

[12:50:59 PM] pD says: one where he touches middle and thumb - teaching

[12:51:09 PM] pD says: i think these are the usually/common ones

[12:51:37 PM] AE says: i always thought the different hand positions referred to modra's...

[12:51:56 PM] nsy says: i can see the beauty in emaciated buddha if it supposed to be right after enlightenment, because it reflects the struggle to achieve that goal.

[12:52:18 PM] AE says: yes! exactly!

[12:52:30 PM] AE says: this, to me, is a person who has been on a quest.

[12:52:41 PM] nsy says: modras - please feed my brain!

[12:52:45 PM] AE says: i hope to look like that some day.

[12:52:56 PM] AE says: sorry... mudra? hand meditations.

[12:53:30 PM] AE says: http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/mudra-japan.shtml

[12:53:35 PM] pD says: mantras - religious symbols

[12:54:10 PM] AE says: they are more than that. there are whole meditations based on a series of hand mudra's

[12:54:28 PM] AE says: you combine them with pranayama when meditating

[12:54:35 PM] pD says: i am a non-believer, so that's start with that

[12:54:54 PM] AE says: it's not a belief thing. that's like saying "i don't believe in karate."

[12:54:56 PM] pD says: i think mundras's power comes from within - if you believe it, it works

[12:55:18 PM] AE says: no... it's a path. similar to tai chi.

[12:55:22 PM] pD says: oh, i am referring to buddha's gestures above

[12:55:47 PM] AE says: you do the movements, they cause reaction within the body. there is nothing metaphysical about it.

[12:55:56 PM] AE says: similar to acupuncture.

[12:56:29 PM] pD says: when i view religious arts or artifacts, i tend to focus on its story because it is a context that the artist is trying to convey

[12:57:27 PM] nsy says: interesting stuff -thanks!

[1:04:01 PM] AE says: here's a completely different set of images: http://www.weestoriestheatre.org/treasureisland/pirateinfo3.jpg

[1:04:42 PM] AE says: these are some of the flags that actual pirates used. You'll be happy to see ours is there: the Calico Jack Rackham.

[1:05:04 PM] AE says: arrr.

[1:05:04 PM] pD says: cool!

[1:05:19 PM] pD says: should we come up with our own then?

[1:05:31 PM] AE says: sure!

[1:05:32 PM] nsy says: of course!

[1:05:50 PM] AE says: oh, and from now on we should only communicate while typing on this: http://www.deanesmay.com/files/deanesmay-piratekeyboard.1.jpg

[1:06:06 PM] AE says: R!rr! rrr! Avast! R!

[1:06:47 PM] nsy says: LOL!

[1:08:30 PM] AE says: Ye scurvy dog! thar be no L's or O's on yer official keyboard!

[1:09:03 PM] nsy says: but yerrrs has scurvy - eew!

[1:09:22 PM] nsy says: do you think she gets parrot poo on her shoulder? http://realneo.us/system/files?file=pirateday.JPG

[1:09:45 PM] nsy says: http://www.tomarken.com/content/crit/articles/2005/pirate.gif

[1:09:59 PM] pD backtracking

[1:10:15 PM] pD says: Maitreya is the name of the chunky buddha

[1:10:25 PM] pD says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Maitreya_and_discilples_carving_in_Feilai_Feng_Caves.jpg

[1:10:33 PM] pD says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya_Buddha

[1:10:40 PM] pD resume normal programming

[1:12:19 PM] pD says: what was that film about a submarine where one of the sailors strap a dead chicken on his shoulder in lieu of a parrot?

[1:12:43 PM] pD says: we should strap something - preferably machine washable

[1:13:11 PM] nsy says: i would remember if i'd seen that! i wish that was my idea!

[1:15:05 PM] nsy says: pirate fact and fiction: http://www.tqnyc.org/NYC051310/piratesfactfromfiction.htm

[1:16:09 PM] nsy says: se the section on parrots: "

Parrots were probably associated with pirates because of the book "Treasure Island". A character from that book named Long-John Silver, who was a pirate, had a parrot for a pet. This idea, however, caused a great deal of controversy because many people think that the parrots would of gotten in the way of the work that had to be done.

Many people believe that a parrot permanently perched on a pirates shoulder would start a mess and during hard times at sea the parrot would most likely be eaten. So it was very unlikely that a pirate traveled with a parrot or any other pet."

[1:16:57 PM] nsy says: so, we need something washable and edible that doesn't get in the way or make a mess

[1:17:16 PM] pD says: M7M's?

[1:17:23 PM] pD says: M&M's, i mean

[1:17:57 PM] AE says: R&R's?

[1:18:10 PM] nsy says: well, i haven't tried them in the washing machine, but they may be as close as we can get.

[1:18:21 PM] nsy says: hehehha

[1:18:26 PM] AE says: they're supposed to melt only in your mouth...

[1:18:34 PM] nsy says: true...

[1:18:36 PM] AE says: but I have a feeling the rinse cycle would do them in.

[1:18:49 PM] AE says: not to mention the dryer...say, that sounds kind of interesting...

[1:18:55 PM] nsy says: hmmm

[1:19:24 PM] AE motions nsy to the other chat client for a moment (work, sorry)

[2:11:40 PM] nsy says: gotta do some more network troubleshooting for this customer - talk to y'all later! if you go be fore i get back - have a great weekend!

[2:14:06 PM] AE says: Ok. I'm heading out soon as well. Traffic is murder on Fridays!

[2:15:07 PM] nsy says: i hear ya! safe travels. i'm working from home monday because i originally asked for it off, but frankis on the road, so i'll just work from home

[2:15:15 PM] nsy says: bye :)

[3:00:11 PM] pD says: drinking wine right now

[3:00:29 PM] pD says: AE did not like its smell - too much alcohol

[3:00:51 PM] pD says: more for me!

[3:04:37 PM] nsy says: have some for me! but just a little bit ;)

[3:04:49 PM] pD says: do you drink?

[3:05:22 PM] nsy says: sometimes

[3:05:51 PM] pD says: like you more already

[3:06:00 PM] nsy says: what is your poison?

[3:06:18 PM] pD says: expensive ones

[3:06:24 PM] pD says: one time

[3:06:46 PM] pD says: BIB (benevolent illustrious boss) asked me which wine I would like to try

[3:07:06 PM] nsy says: heh

[3:07:49 PM] pD says: anyway, i figure that i should try one that i have not had before - the other choice (do not remember which was a good one, I knew that already)

[3:08:15 PM] nsy says: hmmm my wireless just flaked out, sorry - talk to you soon :)

[3:08:33 PM] pD says: it turns out that i really enjoyed the "mystery wine"

[3:09:19 PM] nsy says: hmm - sounds better than special sauce, i suppose

[3:10:05 PM] nsy says: gotta call a customer back - see you later

[3:12:14 PM] pD says: it was the la chapelle wine I told you about: http://nsa-chatters.blogspot.com/2007/06/jolly-roger-vote-chocolate-la-chapelle.html

[3:14:28 PM] pD says: it turns out that it was considered one of the best wines in the last 20 years or so

[3:18:34 PM] pD says: in other words, i am either very lucky in liking the wine or i actually notice good wine

[3:18:40 PM] pD says: hard to say which though...

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