Darth Vader - re-colonization - troops - bastards

[12:13:07 PM] pD says: i thought about the darth vader script and decided to change the ending a bit

[12:13:29 PM] pD says: basically, i want to make all the characters happy with the ending

[12:13:59 PM] pD says: so, instead of DV working in a sweat shop for air massage, he thinks that he has found his calling

[12:14:11 PM] pD says: so, the act 3 scene 2 sequence would be

[12:14:19 PM] pD says: 1. excited women for their regime

[12:14:29 PM] pD says: 2. Bakka-san and Nat counting money happily

[12:14:42 PM] pD says: 3. DV happily applying his air massage trade

[12:14:44 PM] pD says: the end

[12:15:00 PM] AE says: wait... vader was born on what planet?

[12:15:04 PM] AE says: tatooine...

[12:15:13 PM] AE says: so... does he have a green card?

[12:15:19 PM] AE says: you can see where this is going...

[12:18:38 PM] pD says: recall the enlightened alien colonizer discussion?

[12:18:40 PM] pD says: http://nsa-chatters.blogspot.com/2007/06/nsa-subpoena-re-colonization-jowels.html

[12:18:51 PM] pD says: maybe DV is one of the recolonizers?

[12:19:21 PM] pD in cheering outfit

[12:19:35 PM] pD says: DV! He so Cool!

[12:19:53 PM] pD says: Air massage recolonizers!

[12:19:58 PM] pD says: Go DV! Yeah!

[12:22:19 PM] pD says: btw, where is this going?

[12:22:34 PM] AE says: no, the NSA raids the massage shop. DV is brought into custody as an illegal alien and suspected terrorist (something about the black suit). Bakka-san's reputation and business is ruined. The women are in tears. End of story.

[12:22:56 PM] AE says: we'll label it as a comedy.

[12:23:54 PM] pD says: hahah! i like that

[12:24:00 PM] pD says: that would be act 4 though

[12:24:02 PM] AE says: or, the customers, led by Bakka-san and Nat, stage a break-out and spring DV from the NSA holding cell, and they live in fear for the rest of their lives.

[12:24:04 PM] AE says: Ok.

[12:24:50 PM] AE says: Or DV, while being held, can use his Jedi/Sith powers to begin to corrupt the NSA from within.

[12:25:11 PM] pD says: and, he only charges 7/8 of their souls

[12:25:23 PM] AE says: perhaps he can change into a tool of his own design... eventually he winds up in charge of the NSA.

[12:25:40 PM] AE says: instead of 9/8?

[12:30:42 PM] pD says: 9/8 is not a sustainable practice - gotta leave enough for the next round

[12:33:07 PM] AE says: oh... Ok...

[12:33:10 PM] AE pouts

[12:35:01 PM] pD says: i like the illegal alien angle for DV as a sequel though

[12:35:13 PM] pD says: sort of like "Cops"

[12:35:30 PM] AE says: you ever see "Troops"?

[12:35:48 PM] pD says: not yet, i have downloaded it, but i need to install quicktime

[12:36:40 PM] AE says: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5351101160052590481

[12:36:54 PM] AE says: that's on google video... don't think QT is required.

[1:15:03 PM] pD says: hahah! just watched it. it is brilliant!

[3:02:58 PM] nsy says: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXEhqd3la4s

[4:10:50 PM] pD says: anyone home?

[4:11:15 PM] nsy says: nobody here but us chickens.

[4:11:25 PM] nsy says: busy work day :\

[4:12:15 PM] pD says: i know what you mean, i was going to say something smart, but the smart juice ain't flowing

[5:38:06 PM] pD says: bastards!

[5:43:13 PM] nsy says: ok, gotta go - will read this tomorrow :(

[5:43:31 PM] pD says: double bastards

commandments - driving - center of universe - rubber side down - venereal disease - gutter

[11:19:38 AM] pD says: is AE on yahoo?

[11:20:01 AM] nsy says: not sure - my trillian is acting up - let me try again

[11:20:17 AM] pD says: no worries

[11:20:33 AM] pD says: any thought on the script rough draft?

[11:20:41 AM] nsy says: its back up - looks like he will be gone from 11-1

[11:21:05 AM] pD says: okay

[12:33:44 PM] pD says: The European Space Agency (Esa) is seeking volunteers for a simulated human trip to Mars, in which six crew spend 17 months in an isolation tank. : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6221424.stm

[12:34:24 PM] pD says: btw, can i invite ania?

[12:55:01 PM] pD says: The Vatican has issued a set of "10 commandments" for motorists to promote safer driving. : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6768395.stm

[12:55:14 PM] pD says: i say we come up with our own 11 commandments

[1:01:05 PM] nsy says: sure - feel free to invite ania :)

[1:16:25 PM] nsy says: hmm, i believe in a separation of church and street

[1:17:42 PM] pD says: (rofl)

[1:18:05 PM] pD repeating "separation of church and street!"

[1:18:11 PM] pD is easily amused

[1:21:31 PM] pD added ANia to this chat

[1:21:54 PM] pD says: Introducing Ania who is on the phone with her family. she will grace us with her presence after the call

[1:22:13 PM] pD says: but, this begs the question of why is Ania's family up so late?

[1:22:55 PM] pD says: in the spirit of the separation of church and street, i would like to offer the first NSA Chatters commandment on driving

[1:23:12 PM] pD says: do not read the bible while driving

[1:23:54 PM] nsy says: thou shalt not tailgate

[1:24:31 PM] pD says: sorry, wrong phrasing - thou shalt not read the book

[1:24:58 PM] nsy says: haha

[1:26:09 PM] pD says: i would like to offer an amendment on the second suggestion which is - thou shalt not tailgate within 15 miles of pD

[1:27:28 PM] nsy says: contrary to popular belief, the concept of a pD-centric universe has not been scientifically proven

[1:29:15 PM] pD says: actually, that is not exactly correct

[1:29:40 PM] pD says: in the context of relativity, there is no concept of the "center of universe" per se

[1:29:53 PM] pD says: in other words, anywhere can be the center of universe

[1:30:26 PM] pD says: and, consistent with the scientific tradition, i would like to offer pD as the center of the universe

[1:30:51 PM] pD says: an onerous burden for most, but i shall take on the challenge and give it a go

[1:31:22 PM] pD says: and the world rejoices (dance)

[1:31:53 PM] pD says: and, for that work, i shall only charge for 7/8 of everyone's soul

[1:33:04 PM] pD says: commandment #3: thou shalt use turning signals

[1:42:05 PM] pD says: #4 thou shalt only drive at places that first responders can easily get to

[2:07:15 PM] AE says: #4a, and thou shalt carry thine own dang flares, cause they cost $8.49 ea.

[2:08:15 PM] AE says: #5 Thou shalt remember they are not cars; they're other drivers. Be kind.

[2:08:34 PM] pD says: #4b thou shalt avoid costing the first responder too much mulla

[2:09:13 PM] AE says: pD is the center of the pD centric universe, just as nsy and AE are at the center of their respective universes.

[2:09:15 PM] pD says: btw, do you have to pay for your own equipment or can uses be expensed with the state? seem like a reasonable thing to do - reimburse first responders

[2:09:49 PM] AE says: it used to be that the CHP would hand out flares like halloween candy at accident sites. Not any more,

[2:10:15 PM] AE says: so each driver that wishes to use them must purchase their own.

[2:11:06 PM] AE says: since i have the money, and the desire to help, i will gladly (but still complaining nosily) buy them.

[2:11:13 PM] pD says: #4c thou shalt drive in area where the first responders have not run out of flares

[2:11:35 PM] AE says: #6 Rubber side down.

[2:11:46 PM] pD says: #4d thou shalt think about sourcing cheap flares from china

[2:11:59 PM] AE says: haha! that might actually CAUSE accidents!

[2:12:12 PM] AE says: "honey, what's that burning smell?"

[2:12:18 PM] pD says: rubber side down? what does that mean

[2:12:36 PM] pD got caught trying to start BBQ fire without success

[2:13:55 PM] AE says: it refers to the side of the car that should be in contact with the road. (as opposed to roof side down)

[2:14:05 PM] AE says: it's a racing term.

[2:14:32 PM] pD says: but, i suppose on ice, roof side down may get you further faster

[2:20:15 PM] AE says: its not about further faster... it's about maintaining control of the vehicle.

[2:23:56 PM] pD thinks AE does not enjoy winter olympic sports such as bobsled

[2:25:22 PM] AE says: sure. they maintain control there too. i used to race downhill skiing in high school.

[2:25:54 PM] AE says: loved going fast down hill. but without control... trees eat the unwary.

[2:26:01 PM] pD says: so, the solution is to fit the controlling thingie on roof top.

[2:26:15 PM] AE says: true... if you have a sun roof and a rudder of some kind...

[2:26:28 PM] AE says: or out-riggers that could steer it.

[2:26:47 PM] AE says: or steerable rails on the top.

[2:26:54 PM] pD says: sails, that is the answer

[2:27:17 PM] pD says: porsche will get a spinnaker for higher speed performance

[2:27:20 PM] AE says: it's not propulsion we're looking for... it's direction control...

[2:38:12 PM] pD says: okay, we will throw in a rudder

[2:40:06 PM] pD says: #7 thou shalt on drive under influence of hubris - however induced

[2:41:28 PM] pD says: brb

[3:10:23 PM] pD says: c'est moi ici

[3:27:09 PM] AE says: I'm outta here. Bye.

[3:27:29 PM] pD says: ciao

[3:27:40 PM] pD says: still have not gotten to talk about darth vader

[3:27:46 PM] pD says: the illusive DV

[3:28:15 PM] pD says: i wonder how do you say VD in french, is it like DV?

[3:31:06 PM] pD says: VD (venereal disease) is "la maladie vénérienne" in french

[3:33:12 PM] pD says: turns out that i am looking for portuguese "doença venereal "

[3:33:30 PM] pD says: in russian "венерическое заболевание "

[3:33:59 PM] pD says: in japanese "性病"

[3:34:26 PM] pD says: in chinese "性病 " (same kanji as Japanese)

[3:34:52 PM] pD says: okay, i will stop now

[3:35:13 PM] pD trying hard to get his mind out of the gutter - the dark side is powerful

[4:36:53 PM] nsy says: that topic was a big influence on victorian culture that we were speaking of yesterday... oops, I didn't mean to encourage you!

[4:37:01 PM] nsy devil's advocate

[4:39:26 PM] pD says: the force is strong with this one

[5:41:41 PM] nsy says: well, it's been real. gotta run.

[5:42:45 PM] pD deep in thought, still fighting to get out of the gutter

[5:44:40 PM] nsy says: sorry so quiet today - been super busy - will meet you in the gutter again tomorrow

[5:44:56 PM] pD says: hey, watch it!

[5:44:59 PM] pD says: get your own gutter

[5:45:05 PM] pD says: i am getting comfortable here

[5:45:27 PM] pD says: and the stench is barely noticeable by now

[5:46:26 PM] nsy says: fine, my gutter will out stench your gutter any day! oh, it's on...

[5:46:52 PM] pD says: okay, we will see who makes a deeper impression

[5:47:00 PM] pD says: i have my post-it notes and pencil ready

[5:47:32 PM] nsy says: yes, i was impressed with the visuals. we will have to take photos tomorrow.

[5:48:16 PM] pD thinking this thread is degenerating quicker than expected. need to adjust the parameter. matter-of-a-factly

[5:49:12 PM] nsy says: bye :)

[5:49:22 PM] pD says: ta ta

[7:17:12 PM] AE walks by the smelly gutter people and wonder's what it's all about...

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nsa subpoena - re-colonization - jowels - sell 7/8 of your soul - midlife crises - you say pine apple i say anana - music and forms

[12:37:09 PM] pD says: where is nsy

[12:37:12 PM] pD says: she is not in skype

[12:37:47 PM] AE says: she's home... perhaps she forgot to enable skype.

[12:37:57 PM] AE says: or she's out eating.

[12:38:01 PM] AE says: or she's ignoring us.

[12:38:15 PM] pD says: do you use yahoo im? maybe you can entice her to come on line

[12:38:29 PM] AE sighs

[12:38:31 PM] AE says: fine.

[12:38:55 PM] AE says: no, she's offline there as well.

[12:39:21 PM] AE fades into the mist of thought.

[12:39:46 PM] pD fades into the mist of curry rice

[12:41:15 PM] pD says: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/08/washington/08nsa.html?th&emc=th

[12:41:24 PM] pD says: do you think we will get subpoena'd?

[12:41:41 PM] pD says: everything, more or less, is posted, you know...

[12:43:10 PM] AE says: okay... that's for the wiretapping program...

[12:43:15 PM] AE says: we're just chatter.

[12:43:52 PM] pD says: oh, yeah! we still have to stand firm

[12:43:54 PM] pD says: fight the power

[12:43:59 PM] pD says: fight the man

[12:44:00 PM] pD says: dudes!

[12:44:09 PM] AE says: lounge against the machine!

[12:44:29 PM] AE says: why do all these guys in power have jowels?

[12:44:39 PM] pD says: jowles?

[12:44:48 PM] AE says: dulaps?

[12:45:00 PM] AE says: extra flesh hanging off their face.

[12:45:05 PM] AE says: they're aliens.

[12:45:22 PM] AE says: those are probably some kind of re-productive egg sack.

[12:45:37 PM] AE says: or salivary glands they use to eat their young.

[12:45:50 PM] pD says: i like to think of them as the unwashed masses

[12:46:01 PM] AE says: only after lunch.

[12:46:02 PM] pD says: we are the enlightened aliens to save them from themselves

[12:46:24 PM] AE says: not me buddy. I'm here with my bag of chips to watch them go down in flames.

[12:46:44 PM] AE says: because jowels +mistakes = good TV entertainment

[12:47:31 PM] pD says: i rather fancy myself as the new (old style) colonizers of yore

[12:47:40 PM] pD says: it is good to be the colonizer not the colonized

[12:48:18 PM] AE has changed the chat topic to "ReColonization"

[12:48:23 PM] AE says: what are you talking about?

[12:48:47 PM] AE says: are you referring to the fact you were born off-planet?

[12:49:02 PM] pD says: me, enlightened aliens, coming to save those NSA and democrat types

[12:49:18 PM] pD says: with compassion and stern rules

[12:49:21 PM] AE says: why save them?

[12:49:23 PM] pD says: like the old colonizers

[12:49:41 PM] pD says: empire building - the same old reason

[12:49:43 PM] AE says: oh, like how they saved the indigenous peoples of Australia?

[12:49:45 PM] pD says: different packaging

[12:49:52 PM] pD says: exactly

[12:49:55 PM] AE says: or saved the american indians?

[12:50:03 PM] AE says: or saved leftovers from dinner?

[12:50:09 PM] pD says: or, Indians and Chinese

[12:50:25 PM] AE says: I love Indian and Chinese food...

[12:50:27 PM] pD says: i am already sympathizing with the old colonizers

[12:50:45 PM] AE says: ah. so now you're here to save the colonizers of the new world?

[12:50:53 PM] pD says: the mere thought of helping out those old geezers in DC is giving me visions

[12:51:03 PM] AE says: I'll bet

[12:51:10 PM] pD says: actually, i am here to save the colonized - as the colonizer

[12:51:33 PM] AE says: too late. We already discovered this continent. Go find your own.

[12:51:59 PM] AE says: and we don't want your avian bird-flu infected blankets, thanks.

[12:52:52 PM] AE says: so you're suggesting that the current leaders of the american colonies could use a little recolonization?

[12:53:00 PM] pD says: too late

[12:53:06 PM] AE says: or is this because the word colon is in there somewhere?

[12:53:24 PM] pD says: that was what the native americans were trying to explains to the Cortez and puritans over turkeys

[12:53:53 PM] pD says: so, i would just ignore your plead to not re-colonize this land

[12:54:16 PM] AE says: but we rightful re-colonized it from the previous occupants!

[12:54:38 PM] pD ignoring the protests

[12:54:42 PM] AE says: We discovered it!

[12:54:55 PM] AE says: The occupants didn't even know what it was called until we got here!

[12:55:23 PM] AE says: besides, we've just about exploited all the resources...

[12:55:40 PM] pD already looking at an incomplete map and trying to see how to send out Lu and Kak (instead of Louise and Clark) to map out the new world

[12:55:51 PM] AE says: Ahhhh!!!

[12:56:00 PM] AE runs screaming into the ocean

[12:56:29 PM] pD pointing at the ocean and thinking out loud - we should claim that too

[12:56:55 PM] AE says: There's a whole universe of unclaimed territory.

[12:56:59 PM] AE points up

[12:57:08 PM] AE says: so, you know, blast off.

[12:57:19 PM] pD says: too far

[12:57:26 PM] pD says: gas price is kind of high these days

[12:57:41 PM] pD says: we may be new colonizers

[12:57:44 PM] AE says: all it takes is one metal rich asteroid and all expenses will be covered.

[12:58:05 PM] pD says: but, we still sleep with the same big multinational corporations

[12:58:18 PM] AE says: Ah... I get it.

[12:58:26 PM] AE says: You've probably got jowels too.

[12:58:35 PM] pD says: actually, i sell them

[12:58:40 PM] pD says: quite a good business too

[12:58:56 PM] pD says: lots of posers who want several to match their outfits

[12:59:21 PM] AE says: right. well, why fight it.

[12:59:26 PM] AE says: set me up with a pair.

[12:59:47 PM] AE says: something to go with a navy blue blazer and red tie.

[1:00:01 PM] pD says: excellent choice, sir

[1:00:14 PM] pD says: that is one of our most sought after combo

[1:00:21 PM] pD says: now, if you could sign on the dotted line

[1:00:26 PM] AE says: with what?

[1:00:36 PM] pD says: this will get you in front of the waiting queue

[1:00:53 PM] pD says: in exchange, we just ask for a minor consideration for our efforts

[1:01:01 PM] pD says: 7/8 of your soul

[1:01:22 PM] pD says: like good drug pushers, taking everything from our customers is actually a self-limiting practice

[1:01:27 PM] AE says: pieces of eight eh?

[1:01:35 PM] AE says: I see now

[1:01:39 PM] pD says: we learnt from some of the old masters who had some dealing with a fellow called

[1:01:43 PM] pD says: Faust?

[1:01:55 PM] AE says: Never heard of the man.

[1:02:26 PM] AE says: some teacher, wasn't he?

[1:02:29 PM] pD says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust

[1:02:47 PM] pD says: he traded his soul for youth and knowledge

[1:02:55 PM] AE says: we all do that

[1:02:59 PM] AE says: that's called getting older

[1:03:03 PM] pD says: inspired at least two operas as far as i know

[1:03:16 PM] AE says: Oh, wait, that's trading your youth for knowledge...

[1:03:34 PM] pD says: he traded his soul 100% for youth and knowledge

[1:03:37 PM] AE says: can't have youth and knowledge unless you believe in reincarnation.

[1:03:47 PM] AE says: then there is no Devil.

[1:04:33 PM] pD says: there is no reason why devil cannot exist independent of everything else

[1:10:38 PM] pD says: devil: http://blogs.zdnet.com/images/bsd%20linux%20devil.JPG

[1:11:23 PM] AE says: he's not a devil.

[1:11:29 PM] AE says: he's a daemon.

[1:12:21 PM] pD says: you say pine apple, i say anana

[1:13:07 PM] pD has changed the chat topic to "midlife crisis"

[1:13:18 PM] pD says: i was talking with a friend recently

[1:13:26 PM] pD says: he thinks he is having a midlife crisis

[1:13:31 PM] pD says: admittedly, he is on the young side

[1:13:35 PM] AE says: thinks? or wishes?

[1:13:43 PM] pD says: but, it got me thinking about what mine should be

[1:13:49 PM] AE says: why have one?

[1:13:53 PM] AE says: why crisis?

[1:13:53 PM] pD says: oh, he is having a real one

[1:14:05 PM] pD says: he is dating an 18 years old

[1:14:14 PM] AE says: how old is he?

[1:14:26 PM] pD says: do not know exactly, but in the mid-30's would be my guess

[1:14:45 PM] pD says: anyway, i told him to lay off on the viagras

[1:14:53 PM] AE says: no kidding.

[1:15:09 PM] AE says: wait... 18 year old girls weren't into that when I was young...

[1:15:19 PM] pD says: so, have you thought about what yours should be?

[1:15:29 PM] AE says: i've decided to go without.

[1:15:36 PM] pD says: buying a harley davidson is kind of a cliche

[1:15:42 PM] AE says: yuck!

[1:15:45 PM] pD says: oh, we all need a midlife crisis

[1:15:50 PM] AE says: I really can't stand HD's...

[1:15:53 PM] AE says: why?

[1:15:57 PM] pD says: actually, it is considered quite healthy from a psychological perspective

[1:16:03 PM] AE says: y?

[1:16:15 PM] pD says: it shows that a person is reflecting on his/her life

[1:16:25 PM] pD says: it does not have to by HD or an 18 year old

[1:16:31 PM] pD says: some people turned to yoga

[1:16:31 PM] AE says: why does that have to precipitate a crisis?

[1:16:37 PM] AE says: exactly.

[1:16:42 PM] AE says: or running insane distances.

[1:16:50 PM] pD says: oh, i think the word "crisis" is just a catchy way of describing the process

[1:17:05 PM] AE says: poor word choice, in my way of thinking.

[1:17:19 PM] AE says: it can just be 'mid-life reflection;

[1:17:24 PM] AE says: ok, not the same ring...

[1:17:26 PM] pD says: don't forge that I am in marketing

[1:17:34 PM] AE says: ok, forge ahead then!

[1:17:35 PM] pD says: i am liable to use hyperbole

[1:17:43 PM] AE says: come up with a better term then!

[1:17:50 PM] pD says: no, i like crisis

[1:17:57 PM] pD says: it is more action oriented

[1:18:15 PM] AE says: crisis implies emergency.

[1:18:30 PM] AE says: crisis implies impending disaster.

[1:18:37 PM] AE says: why do you think it's fitting?

[1:18:49 PM] AE says: poor planning = crisis.

[1:18:55 PM] AE says: proper planning = event

[1:19:18 PM] AE says: looking at an opportunity incorrectly can realize it as a crisis as well.

[1:20:07 PM] pD says: for the same reason that we hang a jolly roger on the ceiling

[1:20:23 PM] pD says: would i prefer to have a midlife crisis or a midlife event or a midlife retrospective?

[1:20:31 PM] pD says: crisis, crisis, crisis

[1:20:41 PM] pD crisis echoing in the hall

[1:57:25 PM] pD says: okay, i think the sugar high from lunch is wearing off

[1:57:43 PM] pD says: what would be your midlife event?

[1:57:52 PM] AE says: would you like a pocky stick?

[1:58:21 PM] pD says: i just got off a sugar high

[1:58:22 PM] AE says: when I'm 50 I would like to run very far.

[1:58:24 PM] AE says: Ok.

[1:58:25 PM] pD says: i should wait

[1:58:26 PM] AE says: ok

[1:58:35 PM] pD says: how far is very far?

[1:58:44 PM] AE says: over 100 miles

[1:58:59 PM] pD says: i'll watch you from a TV

[1:59:17 PM] pD says: actually, i have decided that i should have several midlife crises

[1:59:22 PM] pD says: say one every twenty years

[1:59:33 PM] pD says: it does confuse the math a bit

[1:59:45 PM] pD says: but, who says life should be consisted of two halves

[1:59:53 PM] pD says: maybe mine is 4.32 in total

[2:02:37 PM] AE says: that's a good question... how can we have a mid-life crisis if we don't know when our life will end?

[2:02:54 PM] AE says: What If I die at 50? Then I already missed the timing for my mid-life event!

[2:03:01 PM] AE says: That's a crisis right there!

[2:03:23 PM] pD says: think Faust

[2:03:31 PM] pD says: maybe he has got a point

[2:03:45 PM] AE says: sell your soul to the devil?

[2:03:52 PM] AE says: nope. life is life, but the soul is eternal.

[2:04:05 PM] AE says: you can leave a really bad life behind. you can't get a soul back.

[2:04:11 PM] pD says: ref: the new colonizers, a.k.a. yours truly

[2:04:19 PM] pD says: we will only take 7/8 of yours

[2:04:30 PM] pD says: this is the new economy and we have a new pricing model

[2:04:30 PM] AE says: right. you pirate.

[2:04:40 PM] AE says: pieces of eight?

[2:04:42 PM] pD says: correction: enlightened aliens

[2:04:44 PM] AE says: that's old economy.

[2:05:01 PM] pD says: you say pine apple, i say anana

[2:09:05 PM] AE says: if you say anana i say you've been listening to baby talk for too long.

[2:09:05 PM] pD says: a while back, i thought it would be interesting to start a cover band

[2:09:27 PM] AE says: Ok. what do you have in mind?

[2:09:34 PM] AE says: I play a mean lounge didgeridoo.

[2:09:59 PM] pD says: well, you give me too much credit

[2:10:05 PM] pD says: the idea went as far as that

[2:10:11 PM] pD says: "start a cover band"

[2:19:25 PM] pD says: thanks for the dot matrix symphony

[2:21:47 PM] pD has changed the chat topic to "music"

[2:21:49 PM] AE says: sure. that was |||||||| |||||| ||||

[2:22:10 PM] pD says: classical music as a particular grammar

[2:22:30 PM] pD says: not right or wrong, just a set of things that you/I look for

[2:22:45 PM] pD says: but, i often found myself lost with modern music

[2:22:52 PM] pD says: and, that can get a bit frustrating

[2:23:06 PM] AE says: lost how?

[2:23:28 PM] pD says: but, in fairness, that is how i felt about john coltrane vis-a-vis Charlie Parker early on

[2:23:42 PM] pD says: lost like cannot understand the traffic signs

[2:24:06 PM] pD says: in the classical format, there are specific cues on what constitute a "phrase"

[2:24:06 PM] AE says: I feel the same way about most jazz...

[2:24:14 PM] AE says: there's not a hook to draw me in.

[2:24:36 PM] AE says: I love Herbie Hancock because he can tell a great story with his music.

[2:24:55 PM] pD says: and, there are meta phrases that consist of several and within specific forms, when a phrase is used, it also gives cues on if it is changing to a new movement and/or the end is near

[2:24:56 PM] AE says: and some classical pieces practically write stories for me.

[2:25:26 PM] pD says: very much so, in (classical) music parlance

[2:25:26 PM] AE says: interesting. you have a much more technical view of music.

[2:25:52 PM] pD says: there are absolute music and program music

[2:26:12 PM] AE says: I never look for clues that music is ending or moving or changing... it's just expression... the residue left after artistic expression.

[2:26:20 PM] pD says: absolute music are just manipulation of music notes and structures - Bach is a great example

[2:26:41 PM] pD says: whereas program music usually have a specific motiv such as a ballad vs a march

[2:26:45 PM] AE says: thinking about it like that ignores the spirit of the music, to me.

[2:27:02 PM] pD says: well, to theorize anything, you need some kind of structure around it

[2:27:16 PM] AE says: but ‘it’s an expression of art.

[2:27:20 PM] pD says: it is less romantic, but it also makes communication easier - technically

[2:27:36 PM] AE says: you mean when trying to explain from one generation to the next how to play?

[2:28:06 PM] AE says: sure. ok. notation and understanding are important to transport the nuances across temporal gaps.

[2:28:13 PM] pD says: not just that, it also provides very useful cue for the performance

[2:28:19 PM] pD says: let me give you an example

[2:28:24 PM] pD says: this actually happened to me

[2:28:48 PM] pD says: once, i was handed a new sheet of music

[2:28:52 PM] pD says: my new assignment

[2:28:57 PM] pD says: the title of the piece is called

[2:28:59 PM] pD says: Lagrima

[2:29:41 PM] pD says: not sure if you know what "lagrima" is

[2:29:53 PM] pD says: i did not at the time, and i was too lazy to look it up

[2:30:15 PM] pD says: so, the next time i met up with the instructor, i play the piece and, since i was in a good mood that day,

[2:30:26 PM] pD says: i was playing it happy - almost like a march

[2:30:42 PM] pD says: so, after i done my piece, my instructor asked me, do i know what is "lagrima"

[2:30:53 PM] pD says: well, it means "tear"

[2:31:11 PM] pD says: so, i was doing a very happy "tear"

[2:31:13 PM] pD says: piece

[2:31:38 PM] pD says: so, in the classical music context,

[2:31:54 PM] pD says: that is one of those codes that people use to transmit specific ideas

[2:32:29 PM] pD says: it is sort of like mathematical terms that people can use to communicate from buying stuff in a foreign land

[2:32:47 PM] pD says: to developing a new model between two scholars who do not speak the same language

[2:33:07 PM] pD says: anyway, i am not suggesting that modern/electronic music should fit into that same structure

[2:33:38 PM] pD says: it is just that for me, it is hard to understand modern music given all the baggage that I have from classical

[2:33:49 PM] pD hoping this makes some sense

[2:35:06 PM] pD says: and, part of the problem for me is that i am not sure if there is any systematic attempt at created a set of new languages for modern music - like what people have done for jazz

[2:35:41 PM] AE says: As I said, I think modern music is more expression.

[2:36:02 PM] AE says: there is little attempt made to transcribe it as in classical, because it's all recorded.

[2:36:10 PM] AE says: you can just hear how it was played anytime.

[2:36:27 PM] AE says: no need to attempt and discern what the original composer intended.

[2:36:31 PM] AE says: just listen to it.

[2:38:54 PM] pD says: i hear you, that is sort of the idea behind improvisation at jazz

[2:39:10 PM] pD says: it is supposed to express an immediacy that is not there with a "script"

[2:39:31 PM] pD says: interestingly, having done both classical and jazz improv, i think often time the reverse is true

[2:42:05 PM] AE says: oddly, i have a hard time being interested in improv jazz...

[2:42:17 PM] AE says: there is too little there of substance to interest me.

[2:42:30 PM] pD says: hahah! i know what you mean

[2:42:49 PM] AE says: it always sounds like a bunch of people playing instruments together in the same key, more or less.

[2:42:49 PM] pD says: although it is also true that inspired improv is amazing - i.e. john coltrane

[2:43:10 PM] AE says: true. there are tons of people who really enjoy it.

[2:43:36 PM] AE says: ok, it's really only 11 people... but they each weigh over 200 pounds.

[2:43:41 PM] AE says: so that's tons.

[2:43:57 PM] pD says: actually, herbie hancock does good improv

[2:44:12 PM] pD says: hahaha! a tonne of improv, therefore

[2:44:25 PM] pD says: have you heard his recording "head hunter"

[2:45:21 PM] pD says: that is an example of improv with a funk touch

[2:45:45 PM] pD says: and, that "sort of" is the extent of the more modern-ish music that i still "get"

[2:47:11 PM] AE says: yes. I'm more of a 'Future Shock' fan though. Headhunter was, again, to vague for me.

[2:48:49 PM] AE says: Ok. I have to head out. Good bye!