chairman mao - Lenin - short timer - resignation - benevolent illustrious boss - lunch - signal booster - linksys - LASIK - porn as a technology drive

[8/22/2007 10:01:20 AM] pD says: howdy, everyone

[8/22/2007 10:01:42 AM] pD says: nsy, did you have a chance to offload those chairman mao and leninade pix?

[8/22/2007 11:20:56 AM] nsy says: not yet, sorry. Does anyone know how to move files from the PDA to the PC? I can't email out from my PDA since we switched to google mail because my PDA won't allow me to specify an outbound port. i have a USB cable, so I probably just need to specify a new connection - just haven't had time since yesterday.

[8/22/2007 11:22:15 AM] pD says: whenever you have a chance. it is not urgent - but it sure was cool!

[8/22/2007 11:22:38 AM] pD says: and can make AE jealous for missing out on the comrade action

[8/22/2007 11:24:59 AM] *** pD has changed the chat topic to "official short timer"

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[8/22/2007 11:25:18 AM] pD says: btw, i have officially tendered my resignation

[8/22/2007 11:25:23 AM] AE says: WHAT?

[8/22/2007 11:25:27 AM] pD says: have not figured out my last day yet

[8/22/2007 11:25:29 AM] nsy says: waaaah!

[8/22/2007 11:25:32 AM] pD says: probably Friday

[8/22/2007 11:25:37 AM] AE says: WHAT?

[8/22/2007 11:25:42 AM] nsy says: agh! thats so soon!

[8/22/2007 11:25:47 AM] AE says: where?

[8/22/2007 11:26:43 AM] pD says: well, the benevolent illustrious boss wants to take a short vacation over labor day, so we decided to shifted it up to miss the crowd

[8/22/2007 11:26:57 AM] pD says: i may come in next week - on an as needed basis

[8/22/2007 11:27:07 AM] pD says: and, i would need a few days to catch up on a lot of personal stuff

[8/22/2007 11:27:20 AM] pD says: my investment is in a bit of a mess right now with the current market volatility

[8/22/2007 11:27:38 AM] pD says: well, i am contemplating several offers, so i have not fully decided.

[8/22/2007 11:27:49 AM] AE says: you will be missed. :(

[8/22/2007 11:28:03 AM] pD says: but, it probably will be another startup who is in desperate need of marketing

[8/22/2007 11:28:15 AM] pD is looking for more pain...

[8/22/2007 11:28:23 AM] pD says: oh, i will miss working with you guys too

[8/22/2007 11:28:37 AM] pD says: but, i hope this does not mean that we cannot continue NSA Chatters

[8/22/2007 11:29:14 AM] nsy says: we definitely have to continue NSA Chatters!

[8/22/2007 11:29:40 AM] pD says: because the world needs all the subversions that it can get

[8/22/2007 11:32:06 AM] AE says: gotta go. Back in a bit.

[8/22/2007 11:34:35 AM] nsy says: yes, we can't deprive the world of this caliber insight

[8/22/2007 11:34:56 AM] nsy says: do you know if you will still be in the area so we can go to lunch?

[8/22/2007 11:55:03 AM] pD says: i will be in this area - if you guys are willing to drive a bit, would love to meet up for lunch and stuff

[8/22/2007 5:57:07 PM] nsy says: we definitely need to continue the lunch tradition.

[8/23/2007 9:41:30 AM] pD says: we will work something out

[8/23/2007 10:11:41 AM] pD says: btw, nsy, are you coming into the PA office today? i think we are heading out for fish tacos

[8/23/2007 10:37:03 AM] nsy says: ooh, fish tacos!

[8/23/2007 11:25:39 AM] pD says: chairman mao pix?

[8/23/2007 11:25:57 AM] pD was known as a bulldog who never gave up in a prior incarnation...

[8/23/2007 11:34:27 AM] nsy says: i guess i have to install activesync on my PC to get the pictures without emailing them... give me a few minutes here.

[8/23/2007 11:48:38 AM] pD says: darn Microsoft!

[8/23/2007 12:08:12 PM] pD says: got a question on my linksys range expander

[8/23/2007 12:08:28 PM] pD says: specifically it was pulled off the plug and chewed on by an one year old

[8/23/2007 12:08:38 PM] pD says: well, actually i do not see any visible damage

[8/23/2007 12:08:48 PM] pD says: but, when it plug it back in, the light does not turn on

[8/23/2007 12:08:57 PM] pD says: i tried to re-set and use the auto configure button

[8/23/2007 12:08:58 PM] pD says: nothing

[8/23/2007 12:09:10 PM] pD says: any suggestion on what i can do to check either it is still working

[8/23/2007 12:09:15 PM] pD says: or i should just buy a new one?

[8/23/2007 1:12:38 PM] nsy says: are you saying there is no power, or are we talking about a different light?

[8/23/2007 1:13:20 PM] pD says: it does not turn on

[8/23/2007 1:13:53 PM] pD says: i do not have a mobile/wifi device to check if it is still functioning just the indicator light not blinking or it is completely kaput

[8/23/2007 1:14:55 PM] nsy says: the power cord could need to be replaced, or the LED might have gone bad. test if its just the light by trying to connect. if nothing, try another power cord.

[8/23/2007 1:15:21 PM] nsy says: why do you need it if you do not have any wifi devices?

[8/23/2007 1:15:31 PM] pD says: since it is a wifi signal booster, what do i connect it to?

[8/23/2007 1:15:51 PM] nsy says: the wireless router

[8/23/2007 1:19:18 PM] nsy says: it would just be used to boost the wireless signal from the source to places the signal might not reach, or might be weaker.

[8/23/2007 1:27:09 PM] nsy says: http://consumerist.com/consumer/wifi/how-to-build-your-own-wifi-signal-booster-252419.php

[8/23/2007 2:56:31 PM] nsy says: ooh, you can stay a night in the bat cave in the buenos aires hilton: http://www.travellady.com/Issues/August05/1803BatCave.htm

[8/23/2007 3:40:42 PM] pD says: are you coming in tomorrow?

[8/23/2007 3:41:08 PM] nsy says: i wasn't planning on it. are you here next week?

[8/23/2007 3:41:21 PM] pD says: tomorrow is my last day in the office

[8/23/2007 3:41:31 PM] pD says: i will be around tomorrow Mon-Wed

[8/23/2007 3:41:36 PM] nsy says: agh! thats too soon!

[8/23/2007 3:41:49 PM] pD says: we will do a little trip with the labor day weekend

[8/23/2007 3:42:37 PM] pD says: btw, i am still confused about the wifi range booster thing, can i come over to talk, or do you want to swing by?

[8/23/2007 3:42:50 PM] nsy says: well, since AE is missing out too, we will all have to go out to lunch - maybe monday the 11th?

[8/23/2007 3:42:55 PM] nsy says: sure come on down!

[8/23/2007 3:43:11 PM] nsy says: or i can come over - really all the same to me

[8/23/2007 3:45:31 PM] nsy says: i would come in, but i'm having lasik at 3:40

[8/23/2007 4:02:12 PM] pD says: nsy, that was a very helpful, at least i do not feel like an idiot

[8/23/2007 4:02:13 PM] pD says: for now

[8/23/2007 4:02:15 PM] pD says: Linksys Wireless - G Range Expander Mod: WRE54G

[8/23/2007 4:03:29 PM] pD says: so, you are getting your eyes fixed tomorrow

[8/23/2007 4:03:32 PM] pD says: that is exciting

[8/23/2007 4:03:39 PM] pD says: one eye or both?

[8/23/2007 4:04:46 PM] nsy says: both at the same time, they have a viewing room so your friends can watch, and you can get video

[8/23/2007 4:05:29 PM] nsy says: http://www.furlongvision.com/

[8/23/2007 4:06:10 PM] nsy says: custom lasik http://www.furlongvision.com/customLASIK.html

[8/23/2007 4:09:59 PM] nsy says: check out appendix G of the user guide here: it says you have a 3 year warranty: http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1130267578138&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper

[8/23/2007 4:11:44 PM] nsy says: chapter 3 says that the LED will light red when not connected, so it looks like it should be on even when its not working. i'm guessing defect

[8/23/2007 4:38:19 PM] pD says: video of eyes being cut open - that is so cool! You should get it and post it on YouTube - so we can refer to it on this blog

[8/23/2007 4:38:28 PM] pD will never make a good doctor

[8/23/2007 4:42:14 PM] pD sent files "leninade.JPG", "mao.JPG" to members of this chat

[8/23/2007 4:42:35 PM] pD says: AE, btw

[8/23/2007 4:42:43 PM] pD says: this is what you missed by running

[8/23/2007 4:43:00 PM] pD says: chairman mao as a pop symbol and Leninade - another pop symbol

[8/23/2007 4:43:13 PM] pD says: i think (and hope) that they are rolling in their graves furiously

[8/23/2007 4:43:22 PM] pD says: say, maybe we can generate some electricity that way...

[8/23/2007 4:47:52 PM] nsy says: those turned out great! thanks :)

[8/23/2007 5:11:44 PM] pD says: love our NSA Chatters ranking

[8/23/2007 5:12:04 PM] pD says: i think it says more about human nature on the net than the actual content of the net

[8/23/2007 5:13:34 PM] nsy says: LOL! of course it grabs the one topic with the word "porn" in it.

[8/23/2007 5:14:09 PM] pD says: porn and VC, the two deadly combination that has been propelling technology since before the beginning

[8/23/2007 5:14:23 PM] pD says: i think i am heading out

[8/23/2007 5:14:38 PM] pD says: since you will have your Lasik tomorrow, I assume i am on my own

[8/23/2007 5:15:01 PM] pD says: cannot wait to hear about your lasik stories

[8/23/2007 5:15:29 PM] pD says: i will also ping you guys from my personal skype

[8/23/2007 5:15:43 PM] pD says: and we shall continue the conversation yet

[8/23/2007 5:16:17 PM] nsy says: indeed. you will be sorely missed around here. i still can't believe i won’t see you sitting over there. it's already hard enough to make the trip, but now... . (boo hoo!)

[8/23/2007 5:16:35 PM] nsy says: at least we still have lunches and NSA Chatters!`

[8/23/2007 5:16:43 PM] pD says: note to self, draw another booga-man for nsy

[8/23/2007 5:16:52 PM] nsy says: exactly!

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NSA Chatters crew

first responder - Porn and VC - chocolate - bubble tea - pastry - vegetarian - NPR

[10:52:38 AM] pD says: howdy!

[10:53:04 AM] pD says: hope everyone had a good weekend

[10:53:08 AM] pD says: mine was quite decent

[10:53:14 AM] pD says: sorry for being grumpy earlier with AE

[10:54:07 AM] nsy says: it's been crazy lately - something in the air. i have an install at 11, so talk to you later :)

[10:54:16 AM] pD says: i am usually full of thoughts (all varieties) in the morning

[10:54:30 AM] pD says: just takes a bit o time to sort them through - or suppress them

[10:58:51 AM] pD says: as for that air thing

[10:59:00 AM] pD says: i think it is call the end of quarter madness

[11:08:42 AM] pD says: speaking of which, I assume the same applies to spammers, got about double the usual amount of spam - this is with the spam filter turned on...

[11:17:41 AM] AE says: want to hear about my last 24 hours?

[11:17:50 AM] pD says: shoot

[11:17:56 AM] AE says: I helped some friends set up for their wedding.

[11:18:01 AM] AE says: then officiated the wedding.

[11:18:17 AM] AE says: That was way fun. Reverend AE. heh

[11:18:37 AM] AE says: Then, this morning on the way to work, I was first on the scene of a car flipped over on Bear Creek road.

[11:19:03 AM] AE says: The driver was just trying to get out of his car when I got there. He asked if I could help him turn his car over so he could get to work.

[11:19:20 AM] AE says: The top of the vehicle was caved in, and he was bleeding from a head wound.

[11:19:40 AM] AE says: So, I asked him what his name was. He stood there for a moment and couldn't remember.

[11:19:52 AM] AE says: So I asked him to sit down on the side of the road.

[11:20:17 AM] AE says: At this point, as I was starting to tend to his head wound there were screeching tires.

[11:20:30 AM] AE says: His car was blocking both lanes, and we were on a blind corner.

[11:21:02 AM] AE says: I got my two ancient flares and handed them to some of the other drivers that had stopped so they could help prevent another accident.

[11:21:22 AM] AE says: When I turned back, the guy with the head wound was trying to push his car out of the way.

[11:21:47 AM] AE says: So I sat him back down and started working on him again. Then I noticed there was a bush on fire just up the road.

[11:22:03 AM] AE says: One of the road flares had rolled into the brush on the side and started a fire.

[11:22:37 AM] AE says: So, I ran off with my fire extinguisher and put it out. In the mean time, the injured driver was up again, trying to convince other people that he was fine and needed to get to work.

[11:23:16 AM] AE says: At that point another person came running up and introduced himself as a first responder. He had a first aid kit, so I set him to babysitting the injured driver.

[11:23:39 AM] AE says: Then I helped rotate the flipped car so it was only blocking one lane and we started directing traffic.

[11:24:02 AM] AE says: About 30 minutes later, the CHP arrived and we handed everything over to them.

[11:24:08 AM] AE says: Observations:

[11:24:25 AM] AE says: 1. The driver couldn't remember his name, but knew he had to get to work.

[11:25:00 AM] AE says: 2. Some people stopped to help, some people just watched, and some people got angry that we were interrupting their commute.

[11:25:26 AM] AE says: 3. Of the 4 people who stopped to help, ALL had first responder training.

[11:25:57 AM] AE says: i don't know if that's just the kind of people who go for that class, or if it's something about the training.

[11:26:12 AM] AE says: so. how was your morning?

[11:26:26 AM] AE says: actually, I'm off to get food. I have an install soon.

[11:26:56 AM] pD says: going a conference call, BRB

[12:02:09 PM] AE says: when were you grumpy?

[12:02:20 PM] AE says: you've never been grumpy with me.

[12:11:34 PM] pD says: thank you for sharing your first responder story

[12:11:48 PM] pD says: it is fascinating from your perspective

[12:12:20 PM] pD says: I think you are absolutely right that it is a self-selecting group of people who would be a first responder

[12:13:16 PM] pD says: i wonder if this happened on the silicon valley stretch of 101, how many first responders would we get

[12:13:45 PM] pD says: as for people responding differently with the accident, that is, (un)fortunately, human nature

[12:14:05 PM] pD says: i think it may be helpful for first responders to get a vest that would help people understand the situation

[12:22:01 PM] AE says: good point about the location.

[12:22:26 PM] AE says: since it's on a stretch of road that was impassible, there were several of us who had no choice.

[12:22:39 PM] AE says: in fact, the only times I've stopped to assist have been on mountain roads.

[12:23:19 PM] AE says: when I see a vehicle on the side of the freeway, I tend to check to see if 1. Anyone is laying near the car, 2. the hood is up, 3. Anyone is jumping around frantically while bleeding.

[12:23:33 PM] AE says: if none of those conditions are met, I drive by without even looking.

[12:23:50 PM] AE says: and the hood up isn't as certain for me as it used to be.

[1:05:16 PM] pD says: nsy, recall the discussion about how porn drives technology

[1:05:31 PM] pD says: A collection of recordings from the 1890s are now on CD. But be warned: They're a bit off-color. In fact, Actionable Offenses: Indecent Phonograph Recordings from the 1890s are shock-jock worthy.

[1:05:37 PM] pD says: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11131880&sc=emaf

[1:05:56 PM] pD says: they also drove the development of wax sound recordings.

[1:06:37 PM] AE says: I think it's more the gaming industry that's got it now.

[1:06:52 PM] AE says: they certainly drive computer upgrades in our house!

[1:07:14 PM] AE says: but you're correct; the pr0n industry made the internet what it is today.

[1:07:20 PM] AE says: spam included.

[1:07:31 PM] pD says: you know, i think there is a lesson there somewhere

[1:08:10 PM] pD says: if i were a VC, i would use a "Porn-o-Meter" to gauge how evasice a new "disruptive" technology is

[1:08:22 PM] pD says: if it can be easily adopted by porn people, we have got a winner

[1:08:29 PM] pD says: the rest are just incremental improvements

[1:10:09 PM] AE says: "evasice"?

[1:12:43 PM] pD says: pervasive

[1:12:47 PM] pD says: :)!

[1:12:58 PM] pD says: i think better than i can type

[1:13:11 PM] pD says: btw, what is everyone's schedule for the afternoon?

[1:13:27 PM] pD says: may want to propose a field trip if the schedules align

[1:13:32 PM] AE says: i'm out of here at 3PM, and, in theory have an install call.

[1:13:39 PM] AE says: oh. where? Cheese factory?

[1:14:03 PM] pD says: when is the install call?

[1:14:14 PM] AE says: now... but they're not there.

[1:14:27 PM] pD says: nsy?

[1:14:32 PM] AE says: I'm going to try them in a few minutes. If they don't pick up I'll send an email to reschedule

[1:14:42 PM] AE says: nsy has to eat food or she will fall over onto her keyboard and inadvertently programming an AI that will take over the world.

[1:14:56 PM] AE says: *program

[1:15:22 PM] pD says: nsy needs to lose weight. she can go without food

[1:15:37 PM] pD btw, we all know nsy is too thin...

[1:15:59 PM] pD says: let's wait for nsy to get her lunch. i have a 1:30 call anyway

[1:18:00 PM] AE says: Ok. but where is the field trip? Do we get to learn where wheat comes from?

[1:58:28 PM] AE says: or where chocolate is made!

[1:58:32 PM] AE says: let's go there!

[2:15:37 PM] nsy says: woo hoo! my AI program was almost loosed upon the world, but it was averted at the last moment by the flying buddha's tasty treats - whew!

[2:15:49 PM] nsy says: PS: I'm not fat, I'm big boned. ;)

[2:16:20 PM] nsy says: so where is the field trip taking us? adventure, science, and sweets? oh boy!

[2:18:04 PM] pD says: and, i am not a fat head, just wide temple'd

[2:18:52 PM] AE says: if nsy were thinner, she'd be transparent.

[2:19:17 PM] pD says: i can hardly see her as it is

[2:19:55 PM] AE says: a lot of people seem to over look her...

[2:20:14 PM] AE says: which is strange, because she's really not someone you want to miss!

[2:20:31 PM] AE says: and now she's going to blush and unleash her AI on me.

[2:22:06 PM] pD says: i think she more of the pitch fork type

[2:22:20 PM] AE says: what?

[2:22:25 PM] AE says: what does that mean?

[2:22:42 PM] AE says: is this some quaint farming reference from your home country of Kansas?

[2:23:14 PM] nsy says: mwahahahah ...

[2:23:41 PM] nsy says: i think he's calling me delightfully devilish

[2:24:06 PM] nsy says: yes, you have to watch out for those transparent ones

[2:24:43 PM] nsy says: hey, wait, does that mean i'm a poultryghost (sp?)?

[2:25:04 PM] pD says: pls refer to the image in the middle section of this entry: http://nsa-chatters.blogspot.com/2007/06/judges-poetry-tennyson-philosophers.html

[2:25:11 PM] pD says: ref: delightfully devilish

[2:25:26 PM] AE says: poultryghost?

[2:25:35 PM] AE says: what's with the farming references today?

[2:25:37 PM] pD says: pastry ghost?

[2:25:47 PM] AE says: mmm... doughnuts....

[2:26:05 PM] pD says: pantry ghost?

[2:26:13 PM] nsy says: mmm, that’s much better... pastry... mmm.

[2:26:20 PM] nsy says: ok, not one step further!

[2:26:44 PM] nsy says: we all know what's next

[2:26:51 PM] AE says: pasty ghost

[2:27:05 PM] pD says: i like chocolate paste

[2:27:11 PM] pD says: if it is made with good chocolate, that is

[2:27:19 PM] AE says: i just don't worry about broken chocolate bars.

[2:27:27 PM] AE says: then you never need to paste them.

[2:27:31 PM] pD says: hmm... i think a few pastry images would do well right now

[2:27:33 PM] pD says: nsy?

[2:28:19 PM] pD says: never knew nsy looks so good with a mustache: http://www.gardenmob.com/snidely-whiplash.jpg

[2:28:26 PM] nsy says: hm, i was hoping for a poultryghost, but came up with a weird story... http://lists.asu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0009&L=histarch&T=0&P=4521

[2:32:35 PM] pD says: oh, right

[2:32:48 PM] pD says: i was thinking that since we have a full quorum, we should try to get bubble tea

[2:39:58 PM] nsy says: ooh - bubble tea!

[2:40:27 PM] nsy says: i love my moustache!

[2:41:01 PM] pD says: patsy ghost?

[2:41:22 PM] nsy says: http://www.cakesbycremedelacreme.com/images/pastry.jpg

[2:41:54 PM] nsy says: http://www.wtv-zone.com/homeaway/CW/patsymontana.jpg

[2:42:04 PM] pD says: btw, what is a poultryghost?

[2:42:21 PM] AE says: and what's bubble tea?

[2:42:49 PM] nsy says: oops - wrong patsy http://www.bookitentertainment.com/images/large_photos/patsy_cline.jpg

[2:43:10 PM] AE says: poultry ghost sounds like why I became a vegetarian.

[2:43:35 PM] pD says: speaking of pastry, i love pierre herme: http://gc-gastronomic.blogspot.com/2004/12/pierre-herm.html

[2:43:40 PM] AE says: I was sitting there, alone at home in January, 1993 and got really hungry.

[2:44:01 PM] AE says: Then Suddenly I had this great idea of getting a big huge bucket o greasy chicken parts.

[2:44:07 PM] AE says: So I did.

[2:44:12 PM] AE says: and I ate the whole bucket.

[2:44:19 PM] AE says: and I've never been sicker in my life.

[2:44:39 PM] AE says: after that, meat just didn't look good to me anymore.

[2:44:41 PM] AE says: more

[2:45:48 PM] pD says: i am sorry AE

[2:46:00 PM] pD says: this has to do with your "desire" as oppose to any reflection on chicken

[2:46:16 PM] pD says: don't pin it on the poultry, just ain't fair

[2:46:18 PM] AE says: nope. it was the chicken.

[2:46:23 PM] nsy says: hmmm. is that like the concept of smoking a carton of cigarettes until you get sick so you never want another one?

[2:46:39 PM] AE says: yuck. does that work?

[2:46:44 PM] pD says: the same logic can extend to anything

[2:46:55 PM] pD says: eat a whole bucket of tofu until you are sick!

[2:47:00 PM] pD says: it ain't the tofu

[2:47:02 PM] AE says: extend it to wealth, then.

[2:47:05 PM] pD says: it is you

[2:47:14 PM] pD says: that is fair, i have not gotten sick yet

[2:47:27 PM] pD says: (rofl) i am so smart!

[2:48:03 PM] pD says: btw, are we doing bubble tea?

[2:48:07 PM] AE says: rotflol

[2:48:30 PM] AE says: what is bubble tea?

[2:48:45 PM] nsy says: mmmmm herme... that chocolate looks decadent!

[2:48:53 PM] nsy says: i'm up for bubble tea

[2:49:57 PM] pD says: tapioca tea snack: middle section: http://nsa-chatters.blogspot.com/2007/05/foods-around-world-kublacon-and-games.html

[2:50:21 PM] pD says: herme kicks ass when it comes to presentation of pastry

[2:50:34 PM] pD says: its chocolate is not bad, but the pastry is quite excellent

[2:52:12 PM] pD says: another really good pastry Shop is Christian Constant: http://gc-gastronomic.blogspot.com/2004/12/christian-constant.html

[2:52:27 PM] pD says: they make a pear custer pastry that was just amazing

[2:53:55 PM] nsy says: mmmm

[2:54:25 PM] pD says: closer to home, there is an excellent pastry shop in los altos

[2:54:33 PM] pD says: maybe we can plan to go there one of these days

[2:54:40 PM] nsy says: although, i'm not big on custards, puddings, flan, etc

[2:55:06 PM] nsy says: yes, i'd love that! i love sweets!

[2:56:40 PM] pD says: Satura cakes: http://www.saturacakes.com/store/

[2:57:52 PM] nsy says: you're killin' me! That looks scrumptious!

[2:58:25 PM] pD says: unlike certain chicken hater (a-hem)

[2:58:39 PM] pD says: i believe in consume copious quantity of stuff that i like

[2:58:48 PM] pD says: just not all at once

[3:19:10 PM] pD says: AE, are you heading out?

[3:19:13 PM] nsy says: regulated hedonism? is that an oxymoron?

[3:19:43 PM] AE says: yes. and yes.

[3:20:51 PM] AE says: bye

[3:22:53 PM] pD says: should we get bubble tea on the way out?

[3:23:07 PM] pD says: nsy and i will come back via the carpool lane!

[3:23:29 PM] pD says: moderation is the key

[3:24:09 PM] pD says: for example, if you murder people with wider time interval, you will be classified as a serial much later

[3:24:20 PM] pD ever the insightful one

[4:49:29 PM] nsy says: i'm going to see the police in LA this weekend, so after that last comment, I now have their song in my head "murder by numbers... 1, 2, 3... its as easy to learn as your ABCs"...

[4:50:23 PM] pD says: the sugar high of bubble tea doing its magic

[4:50:25 PM] pD says: yes!

[4:50:33 PM] nsy says: woo hoo!

[4:52:00 PM] nsy says: I still haven't has time to check out the lewd old radio stuff from NPR. it sounds like there's some joke video going around the office along the same lines

[5:04:02 PM] pD says: i must confess that i do not get the old recording - but i am sure it was in extremely poor taste back then

[5:04:09 PM] pD saying with a glint in his eye

[5:27:03 PM] nsy says: well, my carpool i on his way - so i'll talk to you again tomorrow! bye :)

[5:31:01 PM] pD says: okay

[5:31:09 PM] pD says: thanks for the bubble tea

[5:31:23 PM] pD says: we should plan a few field trips that we would take up every few weeks

Jolly Roger - Rich Heros - Pluto and Linda Tripp - Porn a Tech Driver - HIV in Africa

[11:58:04 AM] pD says: how is AE doing?

[11:59:00 AM] nsy says: he was supposed to be out sick today, but i've seen a couple of emails from him.

[11:59:21 AM] pD says: do you know that we can do a joint drawing thing?

[11:59:32 AM] pD says: i will send you an invite and we can try it, if you are game

[11:59:47 AM] pD says: I would like to invite you to use "Sketch Pad". If you have Skype 3.0 you can open this Extra by clicking this link: skype-plugin:open?id=F35E193DC3E84933B83DE961D9AC33BF

Otherwise please visit http://www.skype.com to get the new Skype.

[12:00:44 PM] nsy says: i guess i need the new version

[12:02:57 PM] pD says: oh, well. when you upgrade. They also offer multi-player games. thought ti would be kind of fun to do it with you and AE

[12:03:32 PM] nsy says: AE should be back, but working from home tomorrow

[12:12:16 PM] pD says: no worries. just wondering how AE is feeling. but, he is not on skype

[12:21:56 PM] nsy says: i think hes on yahoo [deleted]

[12:22:31 PM] pD says: too lazy to install yahoo IM

[12:22:41 PM] pD says: can i talk to AE via skype at yahoo

[12:24:38 PM] nsy says: not sure - doubt it. i use trillian

[12:26:44 PM] pD says: trillian is?

[12:26:54 PM] nsy says: http://www.download.com/Trillian/3000-2150-10047473.html?part=dl-trillian&subj=dl&tag=button

[12:27:18 PM] nsy says: a chat manager. you can add all of your chat accounts to one tool and manage them there - except skype

[12:28:30 PM] pD says: hahaha! bastards! skype!

[12:29:07 PM] nsy says: yes. skype is secure unlike most other clients

[12:29:21 PM] nsy says: it actually encrypts the conversation

[12:31:21 PM] pD says: okay

[12:31:24 PM] pD says: i take it back

[12:31:28 PM] pD says: it is a good thing then

[12:31:32 PM] pD says: they are unbastards!

[12:31:58 PM] nsy says: yes, and they offer free voip - very cool!

[12:33:52 PM] pD says: can you entice AE to sign in to skype?

[12:34:54 PM] nsy says: oops - he's gone now. his virtual ears must have been burning

[12:35:28 PM] pD says: so, how do you burn virtual ear?

[12:35:49 PM] pD says: btw,

[12:35:58 PM] pD says: i changed the GUI for the blog: http://nsa-chatters.blogspot.com/

[12:36:16 PM] nsy says: by having a virtual conversation about someone in their absence

[12:36:37 PM] nsy says: nice!

[12:36:43 PM] nsy says: i like it :)

[12:37:05 PM] pD says: maybe we can get a pix of the jolly roger for the crew section?

[12:39:57 PM] nsy says: http://www.flagguys.com/img/piratedeskflag.jpg

[12:40:14 PM] nsy says: http://www.historylink.org/db_images/jollyroger.jpg

[12:40:49 PM] nsy says: http://www.ederflag.com/images/NonPublishedImages/Coffee%20Mugs%20Specialty/JollyRogerCoffeeMug.jpg

[12:42:33 PM] nsy says: http://www.70millionrats.com/U_S_Jolly_Roger_flag_for_web.jpg

[12:42:33 PM] pD says: actually, i was hoping that you could take a pix of the jolly r above us

[12:42:44 PM] nsy says: uh... oh, right!

[12:42:58 PM] pD says: more of a human touch

[12:43:12 PM] nsy says: http://www.richarddavies.us/archives/2006/10/pumpkin-jolly-roger.png

[12:43:20 PM] nsy says: ok, i'll stop

[12:44:02 PM] nsy says: just one more... http://www.talesofthesevenseas.com/BSJollyRoger.jpg

[12:44:51 PM] pD says: hahah! do you use google image?

[12:45:04 PM] nsy says: of course

[12:45:25 PM] nsy says: not so much "use" as "abuse"

[12:45:46 PM] pD says: same difference

[12:46:51 PM] nsy says: hm... corporate acceptible abuse policy?

[12:47:13 PM] nsy says: sure - i'll buy that

[12:48:50 PM] nsy says: wow - you inserted the images and everything - it looks great!

[12:49:13 PM] nsy says: as borat would say: "very nice"

[12:50:49 PM] pD says: ...

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[12:50:58 PM] pD says: ...

[12:50:59 PM] pD says: ...

[12:51:02 PM] pD says: NOT!

[12:53:50 PM] nsy says: this suit is black not

[12:54:02 PM] pD says: saw the film recently

[12:54:14 PM] pD says: found it a bit too middle/high school-ish

[12:54:30 PM] pD says: pretty dsiappointed 'cause i was hoping to laugh out loud

[12:55:02 PM] nsy says: yes, it wasn't quite what i had hoped, but i was amused by the social commentary

[2:05:39 PM] pD says: i must have become an old fart somewhere along the way

[2:05:49 PM] pD says: i thought the first few minutes were kind of "cute"

[2:05:56 PM] pD says: but, it wore thin rather quickly

[2:07:11 PM] nsy says: well, the "interview the unexpecting" and laught while they are made fools of, is not my favority comedy. unless it is The Daily Show ;)

[2:07:52 PM] pD says: you know

[2:07:58 PM] pD says: i have never seen the daily show

[2:08:00 PM] pD says: i know of it

[2:08:04 PM] pD says: but, cannot get it on my tv

[2:08:08 PM] pD says: no cable

[2:08:25 PM] pD says: so, i only get PBS, NBC, (sometimes) ABC

[2:08:31 PM] pD says: but all the spanish cahnnels are quite clear

[2:08:40 PM] nsy says: heh - sounds like my radio

[2:08:52 PM] pD says: i also get the channel that play the A's baseball games

[2:09:19 PM] pD says: they have good re-runs on some of the shows that I cannot see like The 70's Show

[2:09:41 PM] pD says: but, the truth is that i do not watch a lot of standard TV programming

[2:09:50 PM] pD says: mostly movies

[2:10:00 PM] nsy says: got o videos here http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_daily_show/index.jhtml

[2:10:54 PM] nsy says: yes, i usually watch History channel, discovery or A&E. we record some comedy central shows like daily show for moments when you need some comedy.

[2:11:23 PM] nsy says: check out the interviews

[2:13:34 PM] nsy says: one of the greatest tv moments was when he was on crossfire and killed taht show for good. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Stewart#Crossfire_appearance

[2:14:19 PM] pD says: yeah, i heard about it

[2:14:34 PM] pD says: i think it has to do with the overall ideological tilt of W and neocon's

[2:14:44 PM] pD says: in many ways, i do feel sorry for them

[2:14:52 PM] pD says: they really believe in what they believe in

[2:15:18 PM] pD says: in many ways, it is this "cynical" world that killed their conviction

[2:15:21 PM] nsy says: yes, it seems sad to be so shortsighted

[2:15:37 PM] pD says: recall what happened to clinton during his first term?

[2:15:46 PM] pD says: they wanted to change the world, but they got changed

[2:15:48 PM] nsy says: which thing?

[2:15:51 PM] pD says: same story

[2:15:57 PM] pD says: oh, healthcare

[2:16:19 PM] pD says: of course, the difference between clinton and w is that clinton has lower body count

[2:16:23 PM] nsy says: interesting. i never looked at it that way.

[2:16:34 PM] pD says: but, unfortunately, that is not how the history judges the presidential legacy

[2:16:50 PM] pD says: oh, recall the bruhaha about hillary leading the healthcare thing?

[2:17:03 PM] pD says: she was the "shadow" president who is smarrter than bill

[2:17:29 PM] pD says: but, people bulked at the idea that an unelected person would preside over such a momumental national policy

[2:27:34 PM] nsy says: what can you say to that, really? you're right, of course - its unfortunate and unfair. So, how would things be different if pD ruled the world? 1) less body count=better president, 2) ...?

[2:29:14 PM] pD says: hold, hold, hold

[2:29:45 PM] pD says: less body count is good only if it enhances my glory, i.e. if my glory index is linked to the body count. watch out!

[2:30:24 PM] nsy says: i see how you are - gloryhound

[2:30:39 PM] nsy says: so, are you a fan of alexander?

[2:30:45 PM] pD says: the great?

[2:30:54 PM] pD says: i know lots of sasha

[2:31:26 PM] pD says: actually, how i look at it is that the president is only the representative of the popular perception

[2:31:48 PM] pD says: nobody would be a glory hound if everyone else do not give a hoot

[2:33:02 PM] nsy says: the president SHOULD BE the representative of the popular perception, but they often misrepresent themselves

[2:33:40 PM] pD says: well, that is actually a very dangerous statement - never forget the tyranny of the majority

[2:33:50 PM] pD says: that is technically what happened with Hitler

[2:34:10 PM] pD says: he did get to his positoin legally

[2:34:12 PM] nsy says: i stand corrected

[2:34:55 PM] pD says: more over, in a more political science context, by definition, a president elected in a democracy cannot represent everyone

[2:34:59 PM] nsy says: i guess he technically did not misrepresent himself, but i'm guessing he did not campaign on the genocide ticket, but i don;t know

[2:35:02 PM] pD says: lest there is no opposition

[2:35:42 PM] nsy says: by popular, i assume majority

[2:35:44 PM] pD says: not an expert on that part of the history, but he was never shy about his hatred of jews and the internaional finance they were suppose to represent

[2:36:03 PM] pD says: yeah, then, there is the trap of majority tyranny

[2:36:16 PM] pD says: on a related note

[2:36:53 PM] pD says: i find it absolutely fascinating that most second presidential terms were mired in controversies

[2:37:00 PM] pD says: W - where do I even begin

[2:37:06 PM] pD says: clinton has his monica

[2:37:16 PM] pD says: reagan has his iran-contra

[2:37:28 PM] pD says: Nixon has his watergate

[2:38:00 PM] pD says: LBJ has his 'Nam - although I do not think that he saught a second full term

[2:38:17 PM] pD says: something about presidential power and hubris

[2:38:26 PM] pD says: or sloppiness in the context of clinton

[2:38:38 PM] pD

[2:38:42 PM] pD sigh

[2:38:48 PM] pD says: clinton is the man!

[2:38:55 PM] nsy says: i think there were controversies all along. its just that the opposition is more intent on bringing them to light inthe second term to ensure a change of parties inthe next election

[2:39:00 PM] pD says: never voted for him, but he is so cool

[2:39:26 PM] nsy says: yes, i voted for him both times. he is the man.

[2:39:52 PM] nsy says: as far as you can be a politician and be the man, that is.

[2:41:35 PM] pD says: i do not wish to sound callous, but poking body parts around with other consenting adult is really really really minor in my view

[2:41:49 PM] pD says: poor form, bad for family harmony, yes

[2:41:54 PM] pD says: good entertainment, defintieily

[2:42:01 PM] pD says: but, who the F cares?!

[2:43:27 PM] nsy says: yes, damn puritans that founded this new america. the rest of the world was rightly amused by our pious self-righteousness. how victorian of us. sigh.

[2:54:59 PM] pD says: actually, i thought it was quite entertaining. and, i have no issue with people enjoying all the salacious stories - i would be the first to admit that i enjoy glancing through the tabloids in front of supermarket check outs

[2:55:43 PM] pD says: on the other hand, to make it into a national issue and having debates in the congress and senate is quite rediculous

[2:55:52 PM] pD says: maybe this is the oppose of being "plutoed"

[2:56:02 PM] nsy says: yes, but you either know they are not true, or don;t care. these people can't tell the difference.

[2:56:38 PM] nsy says: ha! nice tie-in!

[2:56:54 PM] nsy says: de-plutoed?

[2:57:09 PM] pD says: so, would it be clintoned or monica'd?

[2:59:31 PM] nsy says: starr'd

[2:59:49 PM] pD says: he was mostly an instrument tho

[3:00:07 PM] pD says: actaully

[3:00:13 PM] nsy says: you think monica would have found some other patsy to bring it public?

[3:00:26 PM] pD says: if you want to be very cynical, the most appropriate may be Spitzer

[3:00:52 PM] nsy says: and that sounds better - spitzer'd - ha!

[3:00:53 PM] pD says: oh, who was that scary looking woman who proped Monica to tell all?

[3:01:05 PM] nsy says: thats who i was thinking of...

[3:01:12 PM] pD says: not jennifer flower

[3:01:18 PM] pD says: she was actually respectable looking

[3:01:36 PM] nsy says: tripp

[3:01:41 PM] nsy says: linda

[3:01:52 PM] nsy says: tripp'd

[3:01:59 PM] pD says: oh, that is a good one

[3:02:04 PM] pD says: tripp'd

[3:02:09 PM] nsy says: hehehe

[3:02:21 PM] pD says: you have been tripped

[3:02:27 PM] pD says: or, you are tripping

[3:02:30 PM] pD says: i like that

[3:02:34 PM] nsy says: nice! me too!

[3:08:24 PM] pD says: actually, my sister may object

[3:08:46 PM] pD says: her professor's last name was tripp

[3:09:25 PM] nsy says: not our problem. just unfortunate for him. look at lindsey lohan - soiling my good name.

[3:09:27 PM] pD says: but she would jsut have to deal

[3:09:46 PM] nsy says: lilke michael bolton in office space.

[3:10:10 PM] pD says: ? what is michael bolton and what is office space?

[3:10:11 PM] nsy says: you just have to hope that the other humans with your name behave. if not, you deal with the misfortune

[3:10:29 PM] nsy says: office space the movie - cult classic

[3:10:40 PM] pD says: i have a highschool classmate, very nice guy and very white, and his name is Michael Jordan

[3:10:53 PM] nsy says: heh - exactly.

[3:11:08 PM] pD says: was it the one with the "my swingline" guy?

[3:11:17 PM] nsy says: yep

[3:11:57 PM] pD says: do not remember much about the film, except the swingline guy. oh, the openign scene on the massive traffic jam was memorable too

[3:18:14 PM] nsy says: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDevzgCjYaY

[3:18:39 PM] nsy says: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6kvNXQX6UI

[3:33:00 PM] pD has changed the chat topic to "pD's Heros"

[3:33:09 PM] pD says: john meriwether: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Meriwether

[3:34:23 PM] pD says: Bill Gross: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Gross

[3:40:17 PM] nsy says: so what are you doing here if these are your heroes?

[3:40:29 PM] pD says: jim simons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Harris_Simons

[3:40:30 PM] nsy says: shouldnt you be in finance?

[3:40:39 PM] pD says: hahah! i know my limitations

[3:40:54 PM] pD says: i actually know finance quite well and and banter with the best of them

[3:41:05 PM] pD says: but, as a buseinss, it is not where my heart is

[3:41:16 PM] pD says: don't get me wrong, i have no objection to money

[3:41:25 PM] pD says: but, i do value happiness more

[3:42:10 PM] pD says: but, i do wonder about it sometimes, what would have happened if i was followed the traditional route of going into finance

[3:42:20 PM] pD says: since my "training" was for finance

[3:43:18 PM] pD says: i do still manage a small protfolio and my average return is better than most mutual funds.

[3:43:27 PM] nsy says: you would probably be rich and unhappy. since money is power and power corrupts. but some people are corrupt and happy, so you never know.

[3:43:44 PM] nsy says: well, that is a testament to your skill, then

[3:44:02 PM] pD says: power, for the lack of a better word, is good

[3:44:15 PM] pD says: love Grecko, in the movie Wall Street

[3:44:24 PM] pD says: talk about a guy who is clear about his purpose in life

[3:44:34 PM] nsy says: never seen it

[3:44:36 PM] pD unlike me, sigh...

[3:44:52 PM] nsy says: i thought you were seeking nothingness?

[3:44:56 PM] pD says: oh, i would recommend it highly as a cheap thrill

[3:45:12 PM] pD says: oh, i am not a budhist

[3:45:54 PM] pD says: wall street is a funny place. i do not think that i will fit in well

[3:46:04 PM] nsy says: so you were talking about buddhists in general seeking nothingness - not you, personally

[3:46:14 PM] pD says: i just like religion as a philosophical topic - on nothingness

[3:46:15 PM] nsy says: but you are funny

[3:46:21 PM] nsy says: ;)

[3:46:57 PM] pD says: actually, most buddhists do not seek nothingness

[3:46:58 PM] nsy says: its the people who don;t fit in that chang the face of an industry - or so i heard

[3:47:02 PM] pD says: it is too abstract and scary

[3:47:15 PM] nsy says: yes, i can see that

[3:47:27 PM] pD says: most buddhists i know are looking for redemption in a heavenly sense

[3:47:36 PM] pD says: human nature, i totally respect that

[3:48:01 PM] nsy says: i just want to know my purpose, or if i don;t have one at all, or if i need to create one

[3:48:15 PM] nsy says: i'm guessing its the latter, though

[3:48:42 PM] pD says: purpose in life and for life?

[3:48:48 PM] pD says: man! i need a stiff martini first

[3:49:00 PM] pD says: lots of vermouth

[3:49:09 PM] pD says: and good fresh olives

[3:49:14 PM] pD says: stirred only

[3:49:19 PM] pD says: with gin

[3:49:20 PM] nsy says: yes, easier after a nice cocktail. but it would have to be a vodke martini - i hate gin

[3:49:32 PM] pD says: i am old fashionied that way

[3:49:57 PM] nsy says: i've heard a taste for gin is hereditary, due to the anise flavor - but that could be hooey

[3:50:43 PM] nsy says: jhs sounds like an interesting guy

[3:51:39 PM] pD says: hey, whatever it is, it just means less competition for me, lower price for good gin

[3:52:22 PM] nsy says: since the topic is your heroes - why did you choose these people?

[3:52:51 PM] pD says: yeah simons is cool! i know a few people who used to work with that fund, retired now with big ass houses

[3:53:20 PM] pD says: with guys like him, i think he deserves every cent he made

[3:54:09 PM] nsy says: does anyone really deserve 4 billion? i guess so if they helped a bunch of other people get rich too.

[3:55:20 PM] pD says: well, it was an open and competitive market. he made the money fair and square. no special connection or inheritance. I have no issue with that. isn't that the ultimate american dream?

[3:55:53 PM] nsy says: i thought that was winning the lottery and not having to work at all

[3:56:19 PM] pD says: hahah! that was more of a plan B

[3:56:24 PM] pD says: at least mine

[3:57:16 PM] nsy says: i was talking with friends about some guy who made 4 million in one year on a business started with 50 dollars, and how that is the american dream.

[3:57:50 PM] pD says: i am sure simon started with money than $50

[3:58:22 PM] pD says: my theory is that at some point, it is not the money, but the fact that he is the hero for geeks like me that counts

[3:58:26 PM] pD says: so, i hope

[3:58:51 PM] nsy says: not sure who it was - but it was a frinds/dating site he made for his social circle, and people started posting half-dressed and nude pics, so the site became very popular, and they started charging a subsription. in interviews he always says he never intended to peddle porn, but thats what the public wanted. he provided a forum and got rich.

[3:58:53 PM] pD says: on a related note, i recall reading somewhere that MSFT used to have a person/department that handles all the marriage proposal to Bill Gates

[3:59:19 PM] nsy says: hahah - thats hillarious!

[3:59:44 PM] nsy says: ok, i'll buy your geek hero for $50

[4:03:30 PM] pD says: porn (within reason, like consenting adults) is another industry that i really respect

[4:03:46 PM] pD says: they are really the technology driver for a lot of the things taht we take for granted today

[4:04:00 PM] nsy says: so i've heard. ;)

[4:04:10 PM] pD says: VCR

[4:04:27 PM] nsy says: really? interesting

[4:04:56 PM] pD says: well, VCR was the perfect medium for porns. you get to watch it at the privacy of home

[4:05:29 PM] pD says: early internet has a lot of porn too and their traffic requirement drove a lot of the early infrastrcuture

[4:05:49 PM] nsy says: wow, cool history tidbit

[4:06:23 PM] pD says: the question is really

[4:06:29 PM] pD says: why do i know these...?

[4:06:45 PM] nsy says: "youhave a curious mind"

[4:07:18 PM] pD says: i am not a picky reader...

[4:08:35 PM] nsy says: do you speed read?

[4:08:59 PM] pD says: i studied that when i was a kid

[4:09:06 PM] pD says: not sure how much i still retained it

[4:09:13 PM] pD says: but, i think i have decent reading skill

[4:09:14 PM] nsy says: are there certain news sites/periodicals/rss, ec that you recommend?

[4:09:24 PM] pD says: meaning, i know how to find the info i need/want

[4:10:17 PM] nsy says: i read slowly. i like to let my imagination paint a picture. unless its technical - then i skip around to what i need. i read magazines and papers from the back usually

[4:10:53 PM] pD says: my reading is mostly utilitarian

[4:11:17 PM] pD says: my entertainment is mostly via movies

[4:11:37 PM] pD says: in terms of what to read, i really do not have any specific recommendation becasue it all depends on what you like and want to know

[4:11:52 PM] pD says: general news, i get daily ping from NY Time and BBC.

[4:12:10 PM] pD says: i usually just read the titles to make sure that i am not missing anything big

[4:12:53 PM] pD says: i used to have access to IIJ (institutional investor journal) and they have some super dry but really interesting stuff

[4:13:22 PM] pD says: i also subscribe to Nature's weekly update. just for kicks, mostly

[4:21:15 PM] pD says: oh, my latest "find" is that you can subscribe to the newsletter (some quarterly some semiannual) put out by the fed reserve system.

[4:21:21 PM] pD says: as you can see, i am an economics geek

[4:22:02 PM] pD says: oh, there is also NBER (national beauru of economic research) - their stuff is even drier than most for non economci geeks

[4:22:09 PM] nsy says: yes, I never would have suspected, but it is becoming very clear now...

[4:22:31 PM] nsy says: economics geek.

[4:22:34 PM] pD says: that i am not a buddhist?

[4:22:42 PM] nsy says: heh. i already knew that

[4:23:01 PM] pD says: what do you read?

[4:23:05 PM] nsy says: i just thought you were being funny saying you were seeking nothingness

[4:23:30 PM] nsy says: i don;t find much time for reading, sadly. since i love to read.

[4:23:38 PM] pD says: at an intellectual level, i really identify with the goal of nothingness.

[4:23:43 PM] pD says: noble, really

[4:23:59 PM] pD says: but, i also find that i am a very mundane person and nobility only goes so far for me

[4:24:36 PM] nsy says: bbc news, world science journal, hrc, pcrm, edf,

[4:24:42 PM] pD says: i jsut read a fascinating study on why HIV precention efforts seem very ineffectual in africa

[4:24:53 PM] nsy says: manythings you aer, but mundane is not one of them

[4:25:28 PM] nsy says: i'm guessing its cultural roles?

[4:25:29 PM] pD says: it turns out that the prevention measures are strongly correlated with the life expectancy of the individual

[4:25:44 PM] nsy says: ?

[4:25:49 PM] pD says: on average, risky behavior can result in death by AIDS in 10 years

[4:26:02 PM] pD says: so, if you do not expect to live more than 5 more years, it is party time!

[4:26:28 PM] nsy says: except for the people you are partying with - unless they also have less tahn 5 years

[4:59:00 PM] pD says: well, that was the insight from that analysis, a large group of population in africa have very low life expatancy

[4:59:36 PM] pD says: so, any "standard" method that work well in the west where people expects to live to their 60's - if you live really really hard

[4:59:51 PM] pD says: do not work when average life expectancy is in the 20-30's range

[5:00:14 PM] pD says: in other words, the policy insight on "fighting HIV" in africa

[5:00:34 PM] pD says: is not necessarily about HIV, but to generally improve life expectancy

[5:00:57 PM] pD says: and, this calls for very different set of implementatation

[5:01:21 PM] nsy says: hm. interesting

[5:01:29 PM] pD says: i thought it was so intuitively obvious that no wonder nobody thought of it before...

[5:03:24 PM] nsy says: reminds me of ender's game. the intelligent virus and the "crazy" virologist that belived if we stop fighting the virus and try to co-exist, it can be symbiotic.

[5:03:46 PM] nsy says: not that i'm saying that situation applies to HIV/AIDS

[5:05:49 PM] pD says: on a lighter topic

[5:05:55 PM] pD has changed the chat topic to "jolly roger"

[5:06:06 PM] pD says: do you have your camera? can you take a pix of the flag?

[5:06:08 PM] nsy says: often, i think we carry genetic triggers, and when populations rise, we clear out our own numbers to preserve the race - or some such nonsense

[5:06:21 PM] nsy says: yes... moment

[5:06:27 PM] pD says: clarify, not sure i understand

[5:10:48 PM] pD says: btw, the HIV situation is similar to the retirement home STD issue - just the reversed situation

[5:13:27 PM] nsy says: hehehe - yes, i suppose. not necessarily reverse, but close

[5:15:32 PM] pD says: so, what is the story about clearing out the race for survival?

[5:15:49 PM] pD says: sounds bad when i put it that way, doesn't it

[5:16:36 PM] nsy says: yes, but that is what i believe. i believe the same thing about homosexuality (on some cases). just population control - genetic switch.

[5:17:36 PM] nsy says: definitely a feature and not a defect - imho

[5:17:58 PM] nsy says: wow, i've never actually typed imho before. it doesn;t seem right

[5:18:27 PM] pD says: iyho (your) may feel better

[5:18:53 PM] nsy says: better, but still ends in "ho"

[5:19:12 PM] pD says: i recall some study/theory about the biological imperative of homosexuality

[5:19:19 PM] pD says: do not recall the details

[5:19:54 PM] pD says: but it has something to do with the need for some men to stay behind and participate in some of the activities that are typically fulfilled by women - gathering instead of hunting

[5:20:26 PM] pD says: ho, huh?

[5:20:28 PM] pD says: how about soho?

[5:21:55 PM] nsy says: yep, anything that ends in ho, really. although i do describesome of by girls with the ever-endearing "b-ho"

[5:24:02 PM] pD says: sort of like afriacn-american calling each other nigga's

[5:24:12 PM] nsy says: exactly

[5:24:32 PM] pD says: linguistically speaking though, it is really a game that you cannot win

[5:24:50 PM] pD says: language is a living thing and it reflects the social context as much as anything else

[5:25:56 PM] pD says: i recall a conversation with a friend,

[5:26:01 PM] pD says: she is white in terms of race

[5:26:09 PM] pD says: but she is south african and have been for genrations

[5:26:23 PM] pD says: she also works for ANC (so, that makes her one of the good guys)

[5:26:52 PM] pD says: and, she really object to the use of the term "african-american" because she feels that she is the real "african"

[5:29:05 PM] pD says: Similarly, extending the thought, people originally from northern africa would not meet the typcial description of "african-american" either

[5:31:51 PM] nsy says: why not northern africa?

[5:32:08 PM] pD says: northern african-american?

[5:32:52 PM] nsy says: you said: "people originally from northern africa would not meet the typcial description of "african-american" either"

[5:33:06 PM] nsy says: why?

[5:33:08 PM] pD says: northern african are algerian and morrocans whose physical appearance is mediterranian like itanlian or greek

[5:33:36 PM] nsy says: this could turn semantics

[5:36:58 PM] pD says: ?

[5:55:00 PM] pD says: btw, can i post this conversation on the blog

[5:55:05 PM] pD says: kind of intersting, i thought

[6:03:17 PM] nsy says: sure, fine with me. much appreciated ;)

[6:03:56 PM] pD says: how about the jolly roger pix?

[6:04:00 PM] nsy says: semantics -well they are still technically african, because they are from the african continent, right? or no?

[6:04:03 PM] pD task master cracking the whip

[6:04:12 PM] nsy says: ah, yes - tx

[6:08:46 PM] pD says: i think the point was that in the US, african-american is the way to describe "black"

[6:09:07 PM] pD says: but, what if you are "african" but not "black"?

[6:12:45 PM] nsy says: well, i think the terminology is now american of african descent - have you heard that one?

[6:13:08 PM] pD says: that is a new one

[6:14:31 PM] pD says: okay, i am signing off

[6:14:32 PM] pD says: ciao