CSA - economist magazine - hinckley yachts - LASIK - Peterson 33 - ships - yachts

[9:36:44 AM] AE says: here's the link I was showing nsy: http://www.hydroptere.com/

[9:36:51 AM] AE says: Our new pirate ship!

[9:50:06 AM] nsy says: terry my carpool buddy works with the guy that started this: www.3VotesADay.Org

[9:50:59 AM] AE says: cool! I've been looking into the whole local/organic debate. Which is better for the planet in the long run and all that.

[9:51:37 AM] AE says: we're lucky enough in Santa Cruz that we can get local organic produce (Dirty Girl farms in Pajaro Valley for instance).

[9:51:55 AM] AE says: but for other people, you can only get organic if it's trucked in from far away.

[9:52:49 AM] AE says: I think reverting back to local CSA is good... but we're going to run into the problem of economy of scale that originally let to the growth of agricultural industry that lead to the current farming situation.

[9:53:20 AM] AE says: which, btw, is washing tons of chemicals (pesticides and fertilizers) down the Mississippi and into the gulf.

[9:53:41 AM] AE says: have you heard of the oxygen depletion problem that's occurring there?

[9:54:28 AM] AE says: http://www.csc.noaa.gov/products/gulfmex/html/rabalais.htm

[10:16:38 AM] pD says: hi guys, busy. 'tis Monday

[10:16:54 AM] AE says: zzzzz .... *snort* wha?

[10:17:06 AM] AE says: nope. actually pretty calm.

[10:17:38 AM] pD says: On AE's question, the Economist had an in-depth analysis a few months back. and, the long and short of it is that it was more of a style/choice than any discernable environment impact - mostly due to transporting produce

[10:17:57 AM] pD says: i will try to find the article 'cause it was quite controversial when it came out. later tho

[10:17:59 AM] AE slowly killing pD with another print out

[10:18:12 AM] AE says: Time also carried an article about it.

[12:00:07 PM] nsy says: I may be getting custom lasik soon: http://www.furlongvision.com/customLASIK.html aberrometers are cool! http://www.furlongvision.com/advanced_technology.html

[12:07:10 PM] pD says: very cool! nsy is going to be a true bionic soon

[1:07:30 PM] pD says: fake steve jobs! i did not know until he has been ID'd, so slow i am: http://www.forbes.com/technology/2007/08/05/fsj-blog-apple-biz-media-cx_pm_0805fsj.html?partner=rss

[1:12:43 PM] pD says: some spoof pix of Bill and Steve: http://captions-fakesteve.blogspot.com/

[1:20:47 PM] pD says: hydroptere: that is pretty cool. bi-tri-cat design is pretty fast. in yacht racing, they have their own class. the issue with the x-cat design has to do with stability. the traditional monohull design is self-centering, if properly done. But, when a cat flips, it stays flipped

[1:21:47 PM] pD says: so, x-cat design tends to be for near shore usage instead of transoceanic - too high of a risk.

[1:22:03 PM] pD worked in the yacht building industry in a prior incarnation

[1:23:31 PM] pD says: this is the economist article I was talking about: http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=8380592

[1:24:01 PM] pD says: i consider economist as authoritative, so, not going to argue over the numbers

[1:24:25 PM] pD says: what is missing, for me, is that I buy organic and local because it tastes damned good

[1:25:07 PM] pD says: secondarily, just like nuclear power, i can appreciate all the safety measures and trade-off intellectually, but at the gut level, organic makes so much more sense

[1:43:44 PM] nsy says: wow, what did you do for the yacht building industry. i almost ended up there myself.

[1:46:01 PM] pD says: i was in sales/business development - they needed somebody who is not afraid to talk with super-rich clients

[1:46:02 PM] nsy says: when the startup i worked at (lutris technologies) went under, i decided to go back to school like so many other tech orphans. it was a close race between computer science and Naval architecture and marine engineering at UNO

[1:46:48 PM] pD says: so, what made you decide on CS?

[1:46:58 PM] pD says: what kind of boat did you want to design?

[1:47:04 PM] nsy says: cool! i interviewed the owner of santa cruz yachts to figure out what direction to take, but eventually chose cosci (obviously)

[1:47:20 PM] pD says: Y's dad was a ship designer

[1:47:32 PM] pD says: what kind of boats do SC Yachts make?

[1:48:18 PM] pD says: i had a good relationship with Hinckley back then, they make beautiful boats

[1:48:35 PM] nsy says: hm... i couldn't afford to go to university right away, and there are no community colleges that offer a 2-yr degree that transfers to UNO. i decided that i better do something more universally useful for my first degree, then if i was still interested, i'd get a graduate degree in marine architecture

[1:48:51 PM] pD says: i especially like their picnic boat - cannot afford them, but that is the boat i would buy, if i ever have too much money to blow: http://www.hinckleyyachts.com/

[1:50:18 PM] nsy says: i wanted to make one-handed boats fit for circumnavigation, or just a business idea like the now defunct shoe site customatix.com for boats - total custom design online, then mfr and ship. including interiors

[1:51:47 PM] nsy says: i inherited my father's 32ft Peterson racing sloop, and i was trying to fix it up, but i ran out of funds, and sold it on ebay. one day i'll hopefully have another, but its nice when it's someone else's financial headache, and you can just pitch in.

[1:54:39 PM] pD says: yeah, boats ain't cheap to keep - like wine making, the best way to be a millionaire is to start with 10 millions

[1:55:06 PM] nsy says: exactly.

[1:55:16 PM] nsy says: money begets money

[1:56:33 PM] nsy says: http://sailingworld.com/article.jsp?typeID=398&catID=608&ID=200801

[2:01:55 PM] nsy says: this is pretty much the same sloop I had, but it was white

[2:01:59 PM] nsy says: http://asianyachting.com/boats/Peterson33.htm

[2:02:53 PM] pD says: well, in this case, you start with 10mm and get down to 1mm...

[2:20:51 PM] pD says: i do not believe they make thes yachts any more. shame too, they are beautiful - http://www.yachtworld.com/annapolissailyard/annapolissailyard_5.html

[2:55:56 PM] nsy says: wow, that's a nice boat. it has a lot of the features i would like to incorporate into my design, but i'm not sure how i feel about the foremast. maybe i just don’t know much about it yet.

[2:58:22 PM] nsy says: rigs 101 for boat newbies: http://www.scils.rutgers.edu/~elfox/types.html

[3:15:33 PM] pD says: boats are interesting, a whole different set of language onto itself

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